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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    So, the 13th amendment to the constitution took away the rights of individuals to practice slavery in the US, correct?
    there are no rights to practice slavery.

    there is a right to property....slaves were considered property.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    there are no rights to practice slavery.

    there is a right to property....slaves were considered property.
    So the 13th amendment took away the rights of individuals to own humans as property, correct?

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I think what confuses most people about a democratic form of government versus a republic is a lack of understanding as to how such governments are designed to function. Put simply, although both forms of government hold free elections to choose representatives to act on behalf of the people, in a democracy it's usually "majority rule" and the rules can be changed nearly at a whim, whereas, in a republic both the majority and the minority are suppose to come up with "best solutions" to govern and the rules aren't so easily broken. This is why it's so frustrating for many Americans to see Congress act in such a dysfunctional fashion.

    But I digress...

    To the point of this thread, was Karl Marx right concerning capitalism? Yes. When economic power is concentrated with a small few and the majority of a nation's citizens are left wanting, when economic inequality becomes widespread, and when the labor force is no longer the driver of a national economy which itself is designed to function based on "consumption and debt", then yes, Karl Marx was absolutely right.

    The question now is will those in power see the error of their ways - greed - and start giving back to those they owe a large part of their success based primarily on their labor?
    our government is run on the a GUISE of democracy, it really is run by an oligarchy of special interest, or as James Madison would say, faction.

    guise
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    an external form, appearance, or manner of presentation, typically concealing the true nature of something.

    this special interest..... seduces, beguiles, and persuades those who are supposed to be acting in the interest of the people, ...to do things which are not in there interest.....since the senate is no longer in the hands of the states.....this is allowed to happen.

    because special interest only has to seduce, beguile, and persuade 1 entity of power "the people"......were as under a true republican form of government , that special interest has to try to seduce, beguile, and persuade 2 entities of power.........."the people", and "the states", which the 2 ......do not care about the others interest

    so in order for congress to pass legislation[Law], the house and the senate must "COME TOGETHER"...and agree on legislation that is in the interest of BOTH.......this makes it difficult, for special interest .....to control our government

    this division of power is what the real nature of republican government is.....
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    So the 13th amendment took away the rights of individuals to own humans as property, correct?
    the 14th made slaves citiznes of the u.s. and citizens of states..two types of citizens.

    since they are citizens, they have rights and privileges and immunities as all Americans.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the 14th made slaves citiznes of the u.s. and citizens of states..two types of citizens.

    since they are citizens, they have rights and privileges and immunities as all Americans.
    But the 13th amendment specifically took away the rights of individuals to own humans as property, correct?

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    But the 13th amendment specifically took away the rights of individuals to own humans as property, correct?
    it made slaves no longer property

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Forced equality...is that your way of saying those who have greater wealth shouldn't be forced to share? In that, I agree. People should give because they want to, not because they're forced to. But I wouldn't go too far as to say people are never satisfied with equality. It depends on what is being defined as "equal".
    That is partially what i mean. To give is much better than being forced to give. But the other part is giving and taking away chances. In true communism, everyone fills a role because it is necessary. The people are not give the opportunity to make more money, own land, rise in the world. This is what i consider forced equality, when the people are not even giving the option to succeed.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    it made slaves no longer property ..correct.
    That is correct, because it took away the rights of individuals to own humans as slaves. In particular, the text explicitly forbids the practice of slavery in the US

    Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
    Therefore, contrary to your assertion that the federal government does not have power in the lives, liberty, and property of people, the federal government does indeed have such power.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post


    Therefore, contrary to your assertion that the federal government does not have power in the lives, liberty, and property of people, the federal government does indeed have such power.
    incorrect ...why?

    i asked the question...... do you see a power [powers of congress] in article 1 section 8 ,where it gives the federal government authority over the lifes, liberty, and property of the people..............the answer is NO!

    amendment 14 is not a power of the federal government, it placing a restriction on state governments, not to deny privileges and immunities/ civil rights....... to the people

    the 14th makes it legal for government sanctioned slavery, because it is a constitutional violation.........the constitution does not...again!.........does not apply to the people.

    when a person violates the rights of other person...it is a CRIME!


    when jim crow laws were enacted,...it was state government sanctioning discrimination, telling citizens they MUST discriminate
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    incorrect ...why?

    i asked the question...... do you see a power [powers of congress] in article 1 section 8 ,where it gives the federal government authority over the lifes, liberty, and property of the people..............the answer is NO!

    amendment 14 is not a power of the federal government, it placing a restriction on state governments, not to deny privileges and immunities/ civil rights....... to the people

    the 14th makes it illegal for government sanctioned slavery, because it is a constitutional violation.........the constitution does not...again!.........does not apply to the people.

    when a person violates the rights of other person...it is a CRIME!


    when jim crow laws were enacted,...it was state government sanctioning discrimination, telling citizens they MUST discriminate
    correction to the above

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