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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    Spoken like a true SS blood hound.

    I guess this one really turns you on:

    "Democracy is the canal through which bolshevism lets its poisons flow into the separate countries and lets work there long enough for these infections to lead to a crippling of intelligence and of the force of resistance." Adolph Hitler

    Oh, and BTW the last time the markets were really free they tanked the word economy in 1929.

    Also, the US markets regained a significant measure of "freedom" when Glass-Steagel was repealed in 1998, thus leading to the creation of entites too big to allow to fail without risking another worldwide collapse. Enron was only the first of those monstrosities.

    Also the US real estate markets were virtually unregulated in the late 1990s leading to the 2007-8 crash, from which we have not yet recovered.

    Regulation is our friend. We need more regulation, not less.

    OMG! Tell me I'm dreaming! A conservative did not type those words? I never thought I'd live to see the day when a conservative would admit that too much relaxing of federal regulations lead to economic chaos and that the country needs more (reasonable, binding, arbitrary) regulations, not less.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Here's an interesting article by George Magnus, former Chief Economist at UBS, the biggest bank in Switzerland



    SO

    Was Karl Marx right about capitalism?
    Yes, for the most part. Capitalism is a wonderful engine for economic growth...but only if that capitalism is properly regulated, and the working people are not seen as tools to be discarded as soon as they're not needed.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wrong...here is Madison's own words on democracy in the federalist #10...


    The other point of difference is, the greater number of citizens and extent of territory which may be brought within the compass of republican than of democratic government; and it is this circumstance principally which renders factious combinations less to be dreaded in the former than in the latter.

    Madison went with republican form of government...not a democratic form

    article 4 section 4 of the u.s.constitution.

    The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.


    a democracy is a democratic form of government and the founders hated democratic forms.
    I think what confuses most people about a democratic form of government versus a republic is a lack of understanding as to how such governments are designed to function. Put simply, although both forms of government hold free elections to choose representatives to act on behalf of the people, in a democracy it's usually "majority rule" and the rules can be changed nearly at a whim, whereas, in a republic both the majority and the minority are suppose to come up with "best solutions" to govern and the rules aren't so easily broken. This is why it's so frustrating for many Americans to see Congress act in such a dysfunctional fashion.

    But I digress...

    To the point of this thread, was Karl Marx right concerning capitalism? Yes. When economic power is concentrated with a small few and the majority of a nation's citizens are left wanting, when economic inequality becomes widespread, and when the labor force is no longer the driver of a national economy which itself is designed to function based on "consumption and debt", then yes, Karl Marx was absolutely right.

    The question now is will those in power see the error of their ways - greed - and start giving back to those they owe a large part of their success based primarily on their labor?
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The problem is most of those who go to Washington, DC claiming to be doing "the will of the people" are doing no such thing. They're doing the will of the corporate lobby and they're only interest is protecting the interest of the corporations they represent.
    What you're really talking about is a potential flaws in our democratic system which guarantees political success to elites and those that hold ground regarding demagoguery. Basically: political success is akin to winning a popularity contest or otherwise playing the game very well.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    I'm not entirely sure about this. On one hand i agree with Marx in that communism might be good for equality and no more oppression and government, but an important part of communism is no religion. Among a few other factors, our religion (or lack there of (and i personally consider science a religion)) is what defines us.

    Also, though he may have been right, Marx's communism does not work. People are never satisfied with equality and to be forced into equality could be considered oppression.

    I dont know, so i said no
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yes, for the most part. Capitalism is a wonderful engine for economic growth...but only if that capitalism is properly regulated, and the working people are not seen as tools to be discarded as soon as they're not needed.
    Therefore I said that capitalists need to operate within certain constraints and need to make sure that workers needs are properly accommodated. Otherwise, you just end up with an tyrannical oligarchy based on money.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    What you're really talking about is a potential flaws in our democratic system which guarantees political success to elites and those that hold ground regarding demagoguery. Basically: political success is akin to winning a popularity contest or otherwise playing the game very well.
    That's another way of looking at it, but let's not hijack the thread and save this for another debate.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    I'm not entirely sure about this. On one hand i agree with Marx in that communism might be good for equality and no more oppression and government, but an important part of communism is no religion. Among a few other factors, our religion (or lack there of (and i personally consider science a religion)) is what defines us.

    Also, though he may have been right, Marx's communism does not work. People are never satisfied with equality and to be forced into equality could be considered oppression.

    I dont know, so i said no
    Forced equality...is that your way of saying those who have greater wealth shouldn't be forced to share? In that, I agree. People should give because they want to, not because they're forced to. But I wouldn't go too far as to say people are never satisfied with equality. It depends on what is being defined as "equal".
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    So exactly why does it violate constitutional law?

    Also, do you think that states have the right to pass laws that order schools to be segregated?
    two things.

    under the founding principles...every man has the unalienable right to life , liberty, and the pursuit of what ever makes him happy, ..which is usually property.

    constitutional law, the 13th forbids such things has slavery AND involuntary servitude......meaning no one can be forced to work for another unless convicted of a crime.

    government[s] cannot discriminate, (unless) it can prove that by discrimination, it is in the state interest....... people can discriminate.

    no ...government governments cannot segregate schools.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    two things.

    under the founding principles...every man has the unalienable right to life , liberty, and the pursuit of what ever makes him happy, ..which is usually property.

    constitutional law, the 13th forbids such things has slavery AND involuntary servitude......meaning no one can be forced to work for another unless convicted of a crime.

    government[s] cannot discriminate, (unless) it can prove that by discrimination, it is in the state interest....... people can discriminate.

    no ...government governments cannot segregate schools.
    So, the 13th amendment to the constitution took away the rights of individuals to practice slavery in the US, correct?

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