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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    are you saying because the congress chartered a second bank of the u.s. ...this gives the Congress UNLIMITED POWERS TO CREATED ANY FEDERAL LAW THEY DESIRE?


    BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING.
    i am only going with what marshall has said.

    Among the enumerated powers, we do not find that of establishing a bank or creating a corporation. But there is no phrase in the instrument which, like the Articles of Confederation, excludes incidental or implied powers and which requires that everything granted shall be expressly and minutely described. Even the 10th Amendment, which was framed for the purpose of quieting the excessive jealousies which had been excited, omits the word "expressly," and declares only that the powers "not delegated to the United States, nor prohibited to the States, are reserved to the States or to the people," thus leaving the question whether the particular power which may become the subject of contest has been delegated to the one Government, or prohibited to the other, to depend on a fair construction of the whole instrument. The men who drew and adopted this amendment had experienced the embarrassments resulting from the insertion of this word in the Articles of Confederation, and probably omitted it to avoid those embarrassments.
    anything wrong with this statement?

    A Constitution, to contain an accurate detail of all the subdivisions of which its great powers will admit, and of all the means by which they may be carried into execution, would partake of the prolixity of a legal code, and could scarcely be embraced by the human mind. It would probably never be understood by the public. Its nature, therefore, requires that only its great outlines should be marked, its important objects designated, and the minor ingredients which compose those objects be deduced from the nature of the objects themselves. That this idea was entertained by the framers of the American Constitution is not only to be inferred from the nature of the instrument, but from the language. Why else were some of the limitations found in the 9th section of the 1st article introduced? It is also in some degree warranted by their having omitted to use any restrictive term which might prevent its receiving a fair and just interpretation. In considering this question, then, we must never forget that it is a Constitution we are expounding.
    or this statement?
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i am only going with what marshall has said.



    anything wrong with this statement?



    or this statement?


    here is the constitutional POWER of congress.....granted by article 1 section 8

    it is a GENERAL POWER, being not defined.

    "To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures"


    nothing in the GENERAL POWER...defines and determines.....where the coin is to be coined?, ...who will coin it?, ....how much coin will be produced?, ....what the design of the coin will be?, ...what the cost of coining will be?


    the implied power, grants congress the power to write federal laws, which defines the constitutional POWER.

    a federal law, WILL....DEFINE where the coining location will be......who is going to do the coining.....how many coins are going to be coined, ......who is going to make the design of the coin and what it looks like, ........ what the federal cost are going to be for creating designing producing and establishing this coin for the u.s.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    here is the constitutional POWER of congress.....granted by article 1 section 8

    it is a GENERAL POWER, being not defined.

    "To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures"


    nothing in the GENERAL POWER...defines and determines.....where the coin is to be coined?, ...who will coin it?, ....how much coin will be produced?, ....what the design of the coin will be?, ...what the cost of coining will be?


    the implied power, grants congress the power to write federal laws, which defines the constitutional POWER.

    a federal law, WILL....DEFINE where the coining location will be......who is going to do the coining.....how many coins are going to be coined, ......who is going to make the design of the coin and what it looks like, ........ what the federal cost are going to be for creating designing producing and establishing this coin for the u.s.
    i was asking if anything from the quote from john marshall you found wrong.

    humor me, bold the line or phrase from the two quotes in my prior message you found wrong, because i have no idea what part of my message you are responding too.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i was asking if anything from the quote from john marshall you found wrong.

    humor me, bold the line or phrase from the two quotes in my prior message you found wrong, because i have no idea what part of my message you are responding too.




    i was giving you a perfect example of what an implied powers are, using the coinage of money. .........which mostly pertains to your second quote

    from the first i take it Marshall is saying, ..we cant find a bank or corporation creation power in the constitution, like the A O C would exclude implied powers...... but he is saying the Constitution does not exclude implied powers

    again "implied powers" are real powers...[power to make federal law] from clause 18....but that clause does not give the congress power to create federal laws for anything they desire......they can create any federal law that has to do with the general constitutional powers of article 1 section 8.

    congress can create any law, which has to do with coinage.

    federal taxes

    borrowing money on the name of the U.S......just to name a few of the general constitutional powers.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    under the Constitution of the founders, the federal government is very limited, it has no authority from congress in the lives, liberty, property of the people that is a state power....you will see no powers of congress in article 1 section 8 having anything to do with the personal life's of the people..this is fact!
    Let me ask you a simple question before I try to comment further. Do you believe that the states have the right to pass laws that legalize slavery?

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Let me ask you a simple question before I try to comment further. Do you believe that the states have the right to pass laws that legalize slavery?
    now or before the civil war?


    now.....no... its defies the founding principles, and constitutional law

    before.......... it defies the founding principles, but made legal because slaves were not considered people but instead property by 3 states, the other 9 wanted slavery abolished.

    however if the issue of slavery being abolished WAS TRIED by force on the 3, there would have been no DOI, and the states would have not been united against Britain in the revolutionary war, we could not have won it, and the men of the DOI would have been hanged as traitors, by the KING.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    I voted yes that Karl Marx was in some ways right about capitalism. I do not think he was necessarily right about how alternatives to it could work out.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    An individual profiting off the common wealth is detrimental the community.
    That is not what is being done.


    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    There is very little risk involved. Current property taxes are so low that a speculator can sit on an empty site for years before selling.
    Oy vey.
    It belongs to them, and they are paying taxes on it. (Even though they shouldn't have to, as that is counter to ownership.)



    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    It absolutely should be discouraged and many great thinkers from JS Mill, Adam Smith, Albert Einstein, and many others agreed.

    Land speculation is the driving force behind our boom/bust cycle.
    No it shouldn't be discouraged.
    And your logical fallacy is noted.


    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    What I said does not mean we should base our defense spending on how other countries spend. The comparison was to illustrate how out of control our spending is.
    What an absurd thing to say. It shows no such thing.


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    That is your opinion.
    iLOL
    No. That was me putting your opinion into perspective.


    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I have no interest in expanding corporate-state causes.
    Too bad.
    It isn't outrageous, and like I said it is how much we need; As much as we need to project our power and support our interests and continue research and development so we can keep it that way for a good long time.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    now or before the civil war?


    now.....no... its defies the founding principles, and constitutional law

    before.......... it defies the founding principles, but made legal because slaves were not considered people but instead property by 3 states, the other 9 wanted slavery abolished.

    however if the issue of slavery being abolished WAS TRIED by force on the 3, there would have been no DOI, and the states would have not been united against Britain in the revolutionary war, we could not have won it, and the men of the DOI would have been hanged as traitors, by the KING.
    So exactly why does it violate constitutional law?

    Also, do you think that states have the right to pass laws that order schools to be segregated?

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yes - every system has strengths and weaknesses. Nothing's going to solve all of our problems (because problems are caused by people and nature, etc, not your economic system).

    Our economic system serves, in some ways, to correct or address these inherent issues.

    Ergo: the best system is the one that permits you the most flexibility as you need it and as the world changes around you. The least favorable are ones that are stringent or limiting.
    The problem is most of those who go to Washington, DC claiming to be doing "the will of the people" are doing no such thing. They're doing the will of the corporate lobby and their only interest is protecting the interest of the corporations they represent.
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