View Poll Results: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

Voters
94. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    38 40.43%
  • No

    56 59.57%
Page 16 of 56 FirstFirst ... 6141516171826 ... LastLast
Results 151 to 160 of 555

Thread: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

  1. #151
    Sage
    Excon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Last Seen
    10-14-17 @ 01:26 PM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,997

    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Yup. When you spend more on defense than the next ten nations COMBINED then something needs to change.

    [ATTACH=CONFIG]67166545[ATTACH]
    No it doesn't.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
    Aristotle
    (≚ᄌ≚)

  2. #152
    Sage
    Geoist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Last Seen
    12-15-17 @ 03:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    9,916

    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Let us not, and tax all fairly by percentage.
    There is no fairness when most citizens pay for the infrastructure while a few speculators reap the rewards.
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
    http://www.wealthandwant.com/

  3. #153
    Sage
    Geoist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Last Seen
    12-15-17 @ 03:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    9,916

    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No it doesn't.
    Yes it does.

    Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?-140224-us-defense-chart-215p_d40ecad0e93608f7224bcfd4d5df8a2f-nbcnews-ux-640-480-jpg
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
    http://www.wealthandwant.com/

  4. #154
    Sage
    Excon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Last Seen
    10-14-17 @ 01:26 PM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,997

    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    There is no fairness when most citizens pay for the infrastructure while a few speculators reap the rewards.
    Wrong.
    Taxes at the same percentage for all, is fair.
    Speculators are separate from that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    When you spend more on defense than the next ten nations COMBINED then something needs to change.
    No it doesn't.
    Yes it does.




    Your claim is ridiculous.
    As no, it doesn't mean any such thing.
    What we spend on our military should not be contingent on, or subject to, what others spend.
    Last edited by Excon; 05-15-14 at 12:51 PM.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
    Aristotle
    (≚ᄌ≚)

  5. #155
    Sage
    shrubnose's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Europe
    Last Seen
    11-29-17 @ 03:46 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    18,851
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Whatever.

  6. #156
    Sage
    Dezaad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Last Seen
    06-28-15 @ 10:43 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    5,058
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Let us tax the privatizers of public wealth and untax the working man as much as is reasonable. Anytime we build our infrastructure the landholders and speculators profit through no work of their own.
    Sure Agreed.

    However, I need no justification beyond that redistribution partially cures capitalism of one of its most egregious flaws to make it actually be fairer, more efficient and sustainable. Capitalism is a deeply flawed system that requires such fixes and that is the only justification that is necessary. The only reason I agree to Capitalism at all in the first place is because all other systems that have been attempted are more deeply flawed, but in so doing we need not agree to all of its worst features.
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

  7. #157
    Sage
    Geoist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Last Seen
    12-15-17 @ 03:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    9,916

    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Wrong.
    Taxes at the same percentage for all, is fair.
    Speculators are separate from that.
    Speculators pay some tax on their activities through property tax, but it does not discourage the act itself. They are still profiting off the common wealth rather than personal productive wealth.


    Your claim is ridiculous.
    As no, it doesn't mean any such thing.
    What we spend on our military should not be contingent on, or subject to, what others spend.
    I never said it should. It simply puts into perspective how outrageous our military spending really is. How much is enough to you?
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
    http://www.wealthandwant.com/

  8. #158
    Sage
    Geoist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Last Seen
    12-15-17 @ 03:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    9,916

    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Sure Agreed.

    However, I need no justification beyond that redistribution partially cures capitalism of one of its most egregious flaws to make it actually be fairer, more efficient and sustainable. Capitalism is a deeply flawed system that requires such fixes and that is the only justification that is necessary. The only reason I agree to Capitalism at all in the first place is because all other systems that have been attempted are more deeply flawed, but in so doing we need not agree to all of its worst features.
    One alternative, geoism, has been practiced with much success. Alas, the powers-that-be do not like it (guess where they receive a large chunk of their wealth?). So, they compromise with the People with a progressive income tax and social safety nets. Of course, nothing could be perfect, but it could be better.
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
    http://www.wealthandwant.com/

  9. #159
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    12,459
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    He was wrong in the aggregate... obviously (see Soviet Union)... but he did have some relevant points.
    I have never seen any evidence that there was ever any intention of actually enacting a "workers paradiseb in the USSR. More like a bunch if clever bastards using the science of persuasion to put themselves in power in a country whose rulers were wholly incompetent. Where they fully intended to stay forever. Bait and switch. Never an "honest" attempt a communism.

    Communism is impossible outside small groups of like minded individuals.

    But the USSR was a scam from the get go.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

  10. #160
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    12,459
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Possible flaws in capitalism doesn't necessarily mean an alternative system is being promoted or looked two. Too many people on this thread are making that faulty assumption,=.
    Tume for an overhaul due to the simple fact that the computer and container ship technology made modern globalization possible, and that THAT "changed the game" so fundamentally that the rising tide is only lifting the boats of some.

    Its not your granddads capitalism anymore.

    And since its made up anyway, it's subject to revision if it isn't working for everybody anymore.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

Page 16 of 56 FirstFirst ... 6141516171826 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •