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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    But this thread is not about whether to choose between Capitalism and Communism. It is about whether Marx was right about Capitalism. If you don't know what he said about Capitalism, then why are you commenting in a thread whose topic by your own admission you know nothing about? You would have nothing to contribute and you should know you have nothing to contribute. You were wrong about whether you should try to contribute, should we now dismiss every one of your posts?
    I contributed. I voted no and I pissed you off. So it is plain enough that I contributed. You got anymore B.S?
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by HogWash View Post
    I contributed. I voted no and I pissed you off. So it is plain enough that I contributed. You got anymore B.S?
    OMG I think it is so cute how you think acting even more immature is going to somehow get to me
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    OMG I think it is so cute how you think acting even more immature is going to somehow get to me
    Get a life buddy boy.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Before we go spending bunches of money on government projects shouldnt we at least attempt to fix the actual problems first?
    I agree that the infrastructure is in dire need of upgrades and expansion etc, but what good would infrastructure do a people that cant use it because they have no jobs?
    No private industry means no money for those projects. What we need to do is just not allow jobs to be out sourced. Hit them with tariffs, make it more expensive to out source. America is still a huge market, but instead we seem to be stuck on he said she said politics.



    Maybe you need to re-read my post.

    The main reason why I propose that the USA embark on a much needed program of infrastructure improvement is to provide the jobs that are badly needed.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    You are making a real good point, and honestly I am mostly talking off the top of my head. Although I never worked on weapon systems, I did work in the aerospace industry and I worked with quite a few people who had actually worked on such systems. What I have understood from conversations with them is that there is quite a bit of money involved in the development of such systems. Many times, they don't end up working at all. When that happens, that is waste. And even when they do, so much money is spent for materials, and years and years of trial and error and work go into creating such systems at tremendous costs. They are typically never on time or on budget. It's just a very inefficient way of creating jobs. On the other hand, doing something like requiring all federal government buildings to use solar panels and creating a jobs training program for people to learn solar panel installation, seems to me to be a less wasteful way of distributing funds to people who need work.
    My experience with government contracting (while I was still enlisted) had every appearance of being one giant jobs program. There were a few specific jobs that needed highly qualified personnel that I personally saw (and almost did, had I not grown a distaste of being overseas a majority of my years), and these few positions commanded hefty salaries, but for every downrage operator there were seven or eight "support personnel" that basically had nothing to do but milk clocks and provide backup for rare situations. THIS kind of spending is wasteful - where there is so much money thrown at a contract, and the contract is renegotiated to require more money every year that it eventually outgrows it's own mission, requiring more personnel to meet new tasks and eventually more money... this cycle is what needs to be broken. Breaking this cycle will "free up" money from the defense sector.

    Advocating a wholesale shift of funding though, while noble, directly unemploys these people already suckling from the government teat for the sake of employing others to take their place. We are right back to where we started, only with cooler toys for the civilians to play with instead of the military. Highly technical expertise (sometimes with no direct civilian corollary) is dumped in favor of construction and civil engineering expertise. Everyone thinks this will be a magical fix, overnight, but they always forget the people who make their living from the defense sector. Lockheed Martin is a publicly owned company. It's profits go to it's shareholders. Those shareholders are tax payers.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Maybe you need to re-read my post.

    The main reason why I propose that the USA embark on a much needed program of infrastructure improvement is to provide the jobs that are badly needed.
    Yes I read that, it was pretty simple to understand.

    Americas infrastructure is in dire need of not just improvement but to be redone entirely. it isnt a impossible task but I dont think that our government is really the right entity to do it, the government isnt a great innovator of technology. The private sector will always be the great innovator of technology.

    Of course the government will always have the last regulatory word. But left up to the government we would spend trillions on building more of the same outdated crap that we already have. I know this sounds like the 'privatize it all' argument but it isnt.

    Many road projects are contracted to private construction businesses. Why employee citizens directly instead of contracts? If the goal is to spread money around to create a viable economy lets at least think it out a bit more than just throwing money at the infrastructure.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I appreciate this post. I am learning a few things today. I had never heard of that guy Proudhon before. I really need to read more of his work. Here's something of interest



    Dang!! That was awesome.
    Along with Henry George, Proudhon probably had the most impact on shaping my geo-mutualist views.

    Proudhon's most famous saying, "Property is theft" is probably one of the most misunderstood quotes in history.

    I was driving to my business this morning and I got a ticket for some BS. The guy was out there just trying to make a quota. Any rate, those words were spot on. It's really amazing that people in that time period had realizations that are so deep and relevant, even today. Thanks for making me aware of that.
    Np. Always love discussing alternative political theories.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    This only works if you raise taxes on the wealthy to pay for it. Which I would support, but I doubt it would pass.

    Going into more public debt hurts the middle class, as would raising taxes on them.
    Let us tax the privatizers of public wealth and untax the working man as much as is reasonable. Anytime we build our infrastructure the landholders and speculators profit through no work of their own.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Let us tax the privatizers of public wealth and untax the working man as much as is reasonable. Anytime we build our infrastructure the landholders and speculators profit through no work of their own.
    Let us not, and tax all fairly by percentage.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I think it can be done without drastically raising taxes by reducing the amount of money we are currently wasting on defense. All that money that was wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan, could have gone to such projects. Also we send billions of dollars in aid money to countries who turn around and thumb their noses at us.
    Yup. When you spend more on defense than the next ten nations COMBINED then something needs to change.

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