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Would you want a gun in this situation?

Would you want a gun in this situation?


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I do not live in fear of unlikely events happening.

Do you have a family? Do you/did you have a plan for a house fire, and do drills and have a meeting place?

Did you teach your kids what to do if a stranger ever approached them and tried to grab them? WHat to do if adults touched them in 'bad places?'

These are things that prudent people do...not fearful ones.
 
I am addressing the OP, just not in the way you want. I am highlighting the absurdity of your argument.

Oh, and by the way, you know what is more effective than owning a gun for home invasions? Prevention.

Interesting...what 'prevention' keeps out really motivated invaders? The ones that grab a visitor or your kid as they enter?

Dogs? Alarms? Great...what happens in the minutes before the cops get there?

What kind of locks and barriers to you have that are foolproof? I need to know because I'd love that rather than EVER needing to use my firearm.
 
Do you know how much a timer on a light costs? While you cannot drop the chance to zero, you can significantly reduce the chance.

And yes I am addressing the OP. I am not answering his question, but every single post has been on the very topic he started.

You leave a light on in your house all night long? Every night? If someone cases your house, they'll pick that up pretty quick.
 
It's easy to create a "what if" scenario.

I'm not an "anti-gunner".

But having a gun isn't a fool-proof and definitive absolute when it comes to day-to-day survival and happiness.

Someone who doesn't want a gun can have an alarm system that sounds loud sirens, flashes lights, and immediately calls 911 for them when intruders break into their house. They could have a large dog, or multiple dogs for protection. A cell phone to call 911 immediately. Pepper spray. Tasers.

I can "what if" your scenario into:

Suppose, even if you have fully locked and loaded automatic weapons on your night stand 12 inches from your head, the "murderer" wakes you up by sticking the barrel of his 50 caliber desert eagle directly into your mouth before you can even clear your vision enough to know what's going on?

What good will your gun do you if the murderous intruder wakes you by kicking the bed while holding your daughter by the hair with a gun pointed right up under her chin?

What if the murderous intruder enters your house with no weapons, but then finds yours right nest to your bed while you're still asleep?

Seriously, people can play "what if" games until the cows come home.

Owning a gun does not make you immune to violence and or misfortune.

Not owning a gun doesn't make you irresponsible, unloving, uncaring, or ignorant.


In all those cases, you are still waiting for the police to come save you. Have you at least set up a safe room for yourself?

Home invasion, murder, rape....take minutes....how long until the cops come?
 
Oh for gods sake, did I ****ing say that? No, I did not. To reduce the chance of burglary, there are a number of things you can do. A light on is just one. I did not realize this was complex.


What if the answer is not yes or no? Have you stopped beating you wife? Yes or no. Why won't you answer the question?

Seriously, this is not rocket surgery...

Are you assuming that those of us who are armed DO NOT have other methods of crime prevention in our homes? LMAO

Really? Is that what you were aiming for? Cuz otherwise, as others pointed out, the whole 'light at nite' thing is lame as hell.

A gun is ONE option, one tool. Our homes are not 'bait' and we are not sitting and hungrily waiting to shoot anyone who enters.

We have alarms and lights and dogs and PLANS and blinding lights....all sorts of things to KEEP from having to use firearms. To discourage anyone from breaking in to begin with.

But if it happens...and it does....whatever the attempts at prevention....you refuse to answer if you'd consider a firearm to protect your family.

Cool. Avoidance.
 
Are you foreign or just haven't learned how to read yet?



It's exactly as I stated, if I can't find my family members, I'd be extremely careful about firing off bullets into the shadows, I would attempt to identify the target first. So you proposed an idiotic scenario, which I sidestepped with ease, and now you're mad about it?

So you would fire randomly into the dark when your family members are in the house? Is that what you're saying?

This is why many families have plans and signals for such situations. I have instructions for my parents when they come to stay with me.
 
I stopped reading at take aim at a shadow. You NEVER fire not knowing your target. That is where the training comes in. And in my case there is no teen son coming in late.

I live alone. No one should EVER be in my house without my knowing it. If I demand an intruder identify themselves and they do not.....they are a target. If they get to my safe room (bedroom) and do not ID themselves and do not stop...I will do my best to STOP them. The ONLY reasonable assumption is that they intend to do me great harm.
 
Of course I would want a gun. I wouldn't use it though, due to personal convictions. BTW, this only proves that this site is a conservative haven. I don't like the term "anti gun" though. Does anybody truly want to take away all guns?
 
That's exactly what I'd do, RA. I'm not a bumbling idiot. If my SO was in the bedroom with me...if I didn't have kids in another room...Remember, while you've barricaded yourself in the bedroom, if the armed intruders want in? Drywall doesn't stop bullets. Will I remember that? Or will I just defend the door? Knowing what to do and being able to execute under extreme stress are two very different things. Even loading one's gun becomes a challenge as one's adrenalin starts surging through one's veins and fine motor skills turn to mush.

You can have plans and preparations...dogs, alarms, etc that give you and family time to find designated secure places, stay in place, etc so that you can take up the defense. There are plenty of plans on some forums I've been on.

Of course if you are out gunned or out numbered, it may not be salvageable but not all home invaders are expecting prepared victims.
 
Plenty of precautions you can take without having to buy a gun which is what Redress is pointing out.

And if/when those precautions fail? Is a gun a ridiculous precaution?
 
If armed men break in to my house i'm already outnumbered and they are unlikely to back down because I own a gun, a fire fight will ensue and my family will be caught in the cross fire.

Not if you have plans and instructions for your family for such an event.

Have so many people NEVER even investigated these things? Are people this complacent? OMG. I'd be even more proactive if I had a family.

I have a plan for when my parents stay with me for God's sake....and they know it.
 
I see you've mastered HTML fonts.

Other than that, you've got nothing.

If I fire in the dark from the bed, the other two guys are going to light us up from seeing my flash point.

So I'm a coward because I don't want to be killed next to my now dead wife? That's a brilliant plan you've got there.

How pathetic. My bedroom is also a safe room. I have a plan and actual cover (not just concealment) in that room. If I had a wife to protect, I'd sure as HELL have at least some plan to protect her.

And btw, silencers also suppress some muzzle flash and are legal in alot of states....are they legal in TX? Do you know?
 
I think we should agree on a few ground rules. Lets establish that most legal gun owners are responsible and are trained to use their weapon(s) properly, and not some trigger happy, nervous and irresponsible wannabe heroes.
We should also agree that no one is forced to purchase or make use of a deadly weapon. So lets quit the back and forth snark and admit that non of us know for sure what we would actually do, but chances are, for pure survival instinct's sake, we protect ourselves by any means possible.
Yes?

And it's not just not knowing what we'd do, but there'd be a lot of individual variations on the theme. Some already mentioned like whether or not you might have a family member, a teen perhaps, that is coming in late. Who is in the house? Are you alone or are there others that might need protecting and so on.

For example, when I was still in Idaho and my kids were still at home, any low growl from the dogs or any noise anywhere up and down the street and I'd have my gun in hand, no round chambered yet, but gun in hand, then to a window to review and then outside if it seemed the right choice. Now that it's only me, I notice I don't grab my gun anymore, I grab my phone. I guess if it's just my life, I'm not as concerned, but if my kids or some others are in potential peril, well then .... it's different.

Anyway, I agree that many, though I don't know about "most" gun owners are responsible and trained and practiced in the weapons.
 
But you pointed out that I am a coward because I actually have a plan. I've run through it in my mind. The only outcome must be that my spouse and I will be alive when it's over.

There is nothing cowardly about not being a gun blazing idiot, as you and your wife would be dead.

Dig? Idiot!

What, you assume they'll let you live after they rape her?

Just as likely shoot you both and burn the house down.

Me, I'd rather fight for my life than sit and wait to 'see what they'll do to me.'
 
Not if you have plans and instructions for your family for such an event.

Have so many people NEVER even investigated these things? Are people this complacent? OMG. I'd be even more proactive if I had a family.

I have a plan for when my parents stay with me for God's sake....and they know it.

Your comparing apples and oranges I have lived in both the US and the UK and socially they are very different. The chances of an armed group invading my home in the UK are slim to none and our homicide rate is very low in comparison to the US. We still have our fair share of violent crime but the large majority of it does not involve firearms and its unlikely any potential robber would carry such a weapon.
 
Introducing guns to the equation only ever results in more death. I fail to see how anyone can argue against this.

If the person attacking me has a gun, then they have already introduced it to the equation. In my home, on my turf, I have a plan and I have the advantage.

Should I just let them kill me? Or is that too messy for you?
 
Your comparing apples and oranges I have lived in both the US and the UK and socially they are very different. The chances of an armed group invading my home in the UK are slim to none and our homicide rate is very low in comparison to the US. We still have our fair share of violent crime but the large majority of it does not involve firearms and its unlikely any potential robber would carry such a weapon.

Yes but they can still subdue you with a bat or large wrench (a weapon of choice, I've read). So they can beat you all into submission and then rape your wife or daughters.

What are your plans...with no firearms, fine...to prevent the devastation of your family?

I have no objection to people deciding that firearms are 'not for them.' What I cannot comprehend is that people do not prepare and plan for protecting themselves, period. You dont need necessarily need a gun for that, at least not where you are I guess.
 
Yes but they can still subdue you with a bat or large wrench (a weapon of choice, I've read). So they can beat you all into submission and then rape your wife or daughters.

What are your plans...with no firearms, fine...to prevent the devastation of your family?

I have no objection to people deciding that firearms are 'not for them.' What I cannot comprehend is that people do not prepare and plan for protecting themselves, period. You dont need necessarily need a gun for that, at least not where you are I guess.


I have a nice cricket bat under my bed just in case not that I foresee myself ever using it however it is there all the same.

p.s you need to chill out a little and enjoy life. You sound very paranoid.
 
What, you assume they'll let you live after they rape her?

Just as likely shoot you both and burn the house down.

Me, I'd rather fight for my life than sit and wait to 'see what they'll do to me.'
Yeah, d0gbreath' s stated plan for a home invasion is to offer up his wife's ass as appeasement because quote "a raped wife isn't a big deal". He then counts on these armed rapists wanting to leave witnesses.

The things cowards say.
 
No I would take other measures to ensure their safety like I have right now on my home. End of the day if a group of armed men enter your home your in trouble regardless of whether you are armed or not. Your already outnumbered, outgunned and you have to worry about your familys safety as well as your own. A gun will only take you so far as countless soldiers have learned over the years.

What measures are those?
 
I have a nice cricket bat under my bed just in case not that I foresee myself ever using it however it is there all the same.

p.s you need to chill out a little and enjoy life. You sound very paranoid.

Not at all...how hard do you think it is to plan ahead a bit?

I am alone on a rural property....no cops are coming anytime soon. I have dogs and locks and lights...and guns. I sleep just fine at nite. I did, here, before I owned a single firearm.

I just think about how stupid I'd feel if someone broke in and I had no means to stop them and protect myself once they were inside.

I have twice responded to screams on the property next door. The teenage daughter is deaf. I had to jump in my car and go over (didnt have to but that is what neighbors do). Both times I considered taking my gun...and I took it because...just how stupid would I feel going over there and being overcome by whatever threat was there, as unlikely as it seemed? When I knew I 'could have' had my gun? So then why not take it?
 
I am a gun owner and have ABSOLUTELY no idea what it means to be "anti-gun"

Yeah, I will say it....we do not need guns with magazines that can hold enough rounds to kill a dozen people in one fell swoop.

Huh. And just how many bullets do people need to defend themselves against multiple attackers?
 
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