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Would you want a gun in this situation?

Would you want a gun in this situation?

  • I am anti-gun, and I would want a gun.

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • I am anti-gun, and I wouldn't want a gun.

    Votes: 4 6.8%

  • I am pro-gun, and I would want a gun.

    Votes: 51 86.4%

  • I am pro-gun, and I wouldn't want a gun.

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Total voters
    59
TurtleDude said:
mainly from the invaders' perspective
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Like I said no one is getting into my house without myself, my street and the authorities knowing. Would be far too much of a hassle for any armed group ( not that I have to worry about armed groups where I live)
 
Zyphlin said:
Well since the entire point of the post seems to simply attempt to call “anti-gunners” hypocrites, I’ll deal with the actual meat of it.Your premise is flawed. Wanting something, and feeling like you should legally be able to do it, are two different things.If I had a daughter rand someone raped her, I would want to punch that person repeatedly until their face resembled ground beef. Simply wanting to do that do doesn’t mean I think I should be legally allowed to be. Wanting to do that doesn’t mean I’m a hypocrite for being in favor of laws against battery.Not to mention the argument is equally flawed because one can be a “anti-gun” (based on how many use it) and still be perfectly fine with firearm ownership. Unless you’re qualifying “anti-gunners” SINGULARLY as people who want to ban ALL guns. Someone who wants a lot of regulation, background checks, ammo limitations, etc. could ABSOLUTELY still have a gun in their house in the situation you explained. You didn’t say “At that point would you wish you had an unregistered gun that isn’t locked in any way and that was purchased without a waiting period of a background check”.All those things I just said are stuff that people point to as a means of declaring someone as “anti-gun”, and yet none of those things I listed would have automatically prevented that person from potentially having a gun in the scenario you concocted. Your entire hypothetical is ridiculous given the actual intention behind it, as it in no way actually indicates what you’re trying to suggest it does.
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I am a gun owner and have ABSOLUTELY no idea what it means to be "anti-gun"

I think gun ownership is about responsibility.

Private gun ownership can be about sport or self protection.

Self protection means protecting yourself from situations that come to you, not situations that you instigate .

People with anger management issues should probably not own and carry firearms.

I dislike the NRAs influence in politics as much as I dislike union and big business influence in politics.

Yeah, I will say it....we do not need guns with magazines that can hold enough rounds to kill a dozen people in one fell swoop.

If you have a conceal and carry permit and you are on legal or illegal mind altering drugs (or etoh)- you should not be carrying your gun.

I think gun shows need to be better regulated.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Well that is no reason not to put up a fight.
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I would rather spend the time and money on making my house harder to break into. It almost seems like some of you on here would welcome a situation like this so you could put your arsenal to use.
 
The most absurd point of view expressed here is the one that requires people to be absolute in their beliefs and convictions under all circumstances or else they are hypocrites. One can be pro life while accepting there are circumstances that makes abortion necessary without being a hypocrite. One can be peace loving and anti-violence and still use force, even violence, to defend another without being a hypocrite. And one can strongly believe that a society without guns is a more safe, more advanced society, and still use a gun in self defense or to protect others without being a hypocrite.

Tens of thousands of people are spared serious injury or death each year because they are wearing a seat belt and shoulder strap in their vehicle and/or the air bags deployed. The rare case in which a seat belt or air bag contributed to somebody's injury or death is not a compelling argument to not have seat belts and air bags in vehicles.

To make everything an absolute either/or principle or situation is pure ideology misapplied and has no basis for people able to employ critical thinking and understand that few things are absolute in every single situation.
 
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Higgins86 said:
Well no the scenario is not completely arbitrary since the title of this thread is "would you want a gun in THIS situation". But you have moved the goal posts which is fine I will play along, I feel like its much more effective to take measures to prevent people getting into your house. I have double glazed security windows, top of the line doors and a great security system. If someone gets into my house I will know about it as will all my street and the Police.
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Yeah, I've got a similar setup.
The peace of mind it brings is well worth the cost.
I suppose fantasizing about a gunfight with insensate evil is fun, but I'm a practical kind of guy.


If by some miracle they did get in my house the idea of potentially getting into a gun battle in my home makes me feel very uneasy. It's my house so I know all the dark cornors, im very quiet and I own a very nice cricket bat.
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Hey...me too!!!....except for the cricket bat part.
I've got a couple of metal baseball bats, thin-handled, medium weight....I can turn on any fastball.
I'm thinking of upgrading to Louisville Sluggers, though.....the Slugger part just seems more macho.
 
Higgins86 said:
I would rather spend the time and money on making my house harder to break into. It almost seems like some of you on here would welcome a situation like this so you could put your arsenal to use.
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That's a good idea, but no home is impenetrable.
 
CRUE CAB said:
That's a good idea, but no home is impenetrable.
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And having a gun does not automatically allow you to pass go and collect 200 dollars either.

The "what if" game does not point to the gun owner winning the contest 100% of the time.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I'm curious about how anti-gunners would feel in real, dangerous situations. It's easy to decry the horrors of gun ownership in the safety of your armchair, but if the lives of you and your family were at risk would your convictions still hold?

The scenario:
It's late at night in your house, you and your family are asleep, when armed men break in. You don't know if they're there to rob you, rape you, murder you, or all of the above. At that point would you wish you had a gun?

The way I see it, if you're anti-gun and would still want a gun to defend yourself in this scenario you're a hypocrite. This isn't an absurd scenario. It happens daily in just about every country in the world.
So what say you?
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I don't spend my life worrying about things that aren't going to happen and this isn't going to happen, so I'm not going to worry about it.

Any stranger who comes on my property will be eaten up by my dogs.
 
Higgins86 said:
I would rather spend the time and money on making my house harder to break into. It almost seems like some of you on here would welcome a situation like this so you could put your arsenal to use.
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Yeah, the ole .50 Cal needs warming up. :lol:
 
Dragonfly said:
And having a gun does not automatically allow you to pass go and collect 200 dollars either.

The "what if" game does not point to the gun owner winning the contest 100% of the time.
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Your odds of survival go up when you have a way to defend yourself. Nothing is 100% but I will take my chances.
 
shrubnose said:
I don't spend my life worrying about things that aren't going to happen and this isn't going to happen, so I'm not going to worry about it.

Any stranger who comes on my property will be eaten up by my dogs.
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And even if you have a fence, if you knew your dogs were that vicious.....you'll be held responsible. Probably will be buying these crooks free houses and other niceties.
 
shrubnose said:
I don't spend my life worrying about things that aren't going to happen and this isn't going to happen, so I'm not going to worry about it.

Any stranger who comes on my property will be eaten up by my dogs.
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Unless he brought a bag of tasty steaks for them to eat up first.
 
Higgins86 said:
I would rather spend the time and money on making my house harder to break into. It almost seems like some of you on here would welcome a situation like this so you could put your arsenal to use.
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I have a few fire extinguishers, do you think I am looking forward to fighting a fire in my home?
 
year2late said:
Call 911 it is a multitasking kinda thing. If you have a phone handy, dial it, they can find where you are. If you are able to talk to them, all the better. It is not "call 911 and stay put"
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What????
Waste time dialing 911....when you should be bombarding the miscreants with hot lead?
No way.
You should only be talking to the perps.
Phrases such as...."Do you feel lucky, punk?"...or..."Go ahead, make my day"...are much more effective than calling 911.
 
radioman said:
What????
Waste time dialing 911....when you should be bombarding the miscreants with hot lead?
No way.
You should only be talking to the perps.
Phrases such as...."Do you feel lucky, punk?"...or..."Go ahead, make my day"...are much more effective than calling 911.
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Not either or.
 
Higgins86 said:
I would rather spend the time and money on making my house harder to break into. It almost seems like some of you on here would welcome a situation like this so you could put your arsenal to use.
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This is probably true.
Too many action-hero movies, no doubt.
Walter Mitty fantasies have morphed into Jack Bauer fantasies.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I'm curious about how anti-gunners would feel in real, dangerous situations. It's easy to decry the horrors of gun ownership in the safety of your armchair, but if the lives of you and your family were at risk would your convictions still hold?

The scenario:
It's late at night in your house, you and your family are asleep, when armed men break in. You don't know if they're there to rob you, rape you, murder you, or all of the above. At that point would you wish you had a gun?

The way I see it, if you're anti-gun and would still want a gun to defend yourself in this scenario you're a hypocrite. This isn't an absurd scenario. It happens daily in just about every country in the world. So what say you?
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I think if armed men break into your house and you challenge them with a gun you might drop one. But after that you and your family would likely be slaughtered. Rather than challenging them and endangering your family you would be best to avoid that confrontation.
 
Our two story home gives me time to gather my family in a room and make a call to the police. But that's not enough. Even if the police are near by and they get to my home in 2 minutes, we might already be dead. If we aren't, the cops aren't coming in immediately any way. They are going to secure the scene, devise a plan and then breach if that seems like a good plan.

So, we have guns. Our plan is to gather in my sons room, barricade the door with his dresser and then, if they try to come through the door, blow them away. The door is a great "murder hole." Because the east wall is a set of closets, the south wall is a sink and toilet in the bathroom and the west wall is open to the outside, they really can't get to us easily. It is a defensive position that should buy us enough time to get law enforcement to our home. But we can't rely on them to save us in the event of a home evasion.
 
Kreton said:
I think if armed men break into your house and you challenge them with a gun you might drop one. But after that you and your family would likely be slaughtered. Rather than challenging them and endangering your family you would be best to avoid that confrontation.
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If armed men break into your house, it is already too late to avoid the confrontation. What would happen if you "dropped one" is a matter of speculation. There are several possible possibilities. Confronted with force, the bad guys may just move on. After one is dropped, they may decide to call it a night. There is also the possibility that you may get them all.
Even if you do not confront, there is still a high likelihood that you may be slaughtered.
 
jimbo said:
If armed men break into your house, it is already too late to avoid the confrontation. What would happen if you "dropped one" is a matter of speculation. There are several possible possibilities. Confronted with force, the bad guys may just move on. After one is dropped, they may decide to call it a night. There is also the possibility that you may get them all.
Even if you do not confront, there is still a high likelihood that you may be slaughtered.
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Come on man....this whole thing is speculation.

It's also possible the armed intruders force you and your family into a bathroom, barricade the door, the steal every single item in your house and leave you and your family unharmed.


This whole thing is speculation.

It's the "what if" game. By definition it's nothing more than speculation.

The vast majority of people posting on this message board will never be in a gun battle for their life inside their own home.

And I truly hope 100% of the people here at DP never face that situation, ever.
 
Dragonfly said:
Come on man....this whole thing is speculation.

It's also possible the armed intruders force you and your family into a bathroom, barricade the door, the steal every single item in your house and leave you and your family unharmed.


This whole thing is speculation.

It's the "what if" game. By definition it's nothing more than speculation.

The vast majority of people posting on this message board will never be in a gun battle for their life inside their own home.

And I truly hope 100% of the people here at DP never face that situation, ever.
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Of course it's speculation, and I so stated. I was addressing a post based entirely on speculation.
 
"The 2010 Census enumerated 308.7 million people in the United States....300.8 million lived in 116.7 million households for an average of 2.58 people per household."
https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/...c2010br-14.pdf

"An estimated 3.7 million burglaries occurred each year on
average from 2003 to 2007.
impacting 1.2% of the US population, 2.33% of the households

*A household member was present in roughly 1 million burglaries
impacting .32% of the US population, .6% of the households

and became victims of violent crimes in 266,560 burglaries.
impacting .09% of the US population, .16% of the households

*Serious injury accounted for 9% of injuries sustained by household members who were home
and experienced violence during a completed burglary.
impacting .008% of the US population


*Simple assault (15%) was the most common form of violence when
a resident was home and violence occurred. Robbery (7%) and
rape (3%) were less likely to occur when a household member was
present and violence occurred.

*Offenders were known to their victims in 65% of violent
burglaries; offenders were strangers in 28%.

*Overall, 61% of offenders were unarmed when violence occurred
during a burglary while a resident was present. About 12% of
all households violently burglarized while someone was home
faced an offender armed with a firearm.

U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Justice Programs
Bureau of Justice Statistics

Special Report

National Crime Victimization Survey

Victimization During Household Burglary

September 2010 NCJ 227379

Shannan Catalano, Ph.D.,
BJS Statistician
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt
(percentages in bold added by Hard Truth)
 
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Redress said:
I don't prepare for getting hit by lightning either. I don't prepare for lots of unlikely events. You don't either. No one does. At least be honest.
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Houses and other buildings already incorporate many protections against electricity surge and protections, like grounding wires. You may not personally run around in a Faraday cage, but many of these sorts of protections are already built into most of what we have.
 
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