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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    I'm from Sweden a country their people with guns almost only use them for hunting. So curious about somethings.

    First to people who want to protect themself with guns typically just buy a gun or do they also practice? That if you want to protect yourself with a gun you maybee not only need to practice shooting at a range but also do some kind of sport like Biathlon. Because as I understand gunhadnling can be very diffuclty under stress and high pulse. As I understand it even policeofficers can miss during a close courter confrontation.

    Also what is the typical dangers for regulare citizen of violence in USA? In Sweden it is domestic violence and drunk people fighting drunk people outside bars. In who's situation guns can be really bad. So is it the same in USA? If it is the same what do you do to prevent people for taking their guns to pubs and also how do you deal with the combination of domestic violence and guns?
    Here in the U.S., we generally live in an underlying fear of certain aspects of society that lean toward violence and theft. Though it is unlikely any individual will fall victim to such things many feel security in the power instilled by having a gun. Our gun culture is a bit of a catch22...we have guns because others have them, we fight fire with fire.
    For myself at least, Though I understand how unlikely it is that I will ever need to fire my weapon in protection of my family....the ability to do so is comforting.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    I'm from Sweden a country their people with guns almost only use them for hunting. So curious about somethings.

    First to people who want to protect themself with guns typically just buy a gun or do they also practice? That if you want to protect yourself with a gun you maybee not only need to practice shooting at a range but also do some kind of sport like Biathlon. Because as I understand gunhadnling can be very diffuclty under stress and high pulse. As I understand it even policeofficers can miss during a close courter confrontation.

    Also what is the typical dangers for regulare citizen of violence in USA? In Sweden it is domestic violence and drunk people fighting drunk people outside bars. In who's situation guns can be really bad. So is it the same in USA? If it is the same what do you do to prevent people for taking their guns to pubs and also how do you deal with the combination of domestic violence and guns?
    The answer for most of these guys is..... More guns...

    Cold outside... More guns

    Someone farted... More guns

    Pizza delivery guy shows up 5 minutes late.... More guns.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    The answer for most of these guys is..... More guns...

    Cold outside... More guns

    Someone farted... More guns

    Pizza delivery guy shows up 5 minutes late.... More guns.
    These are the type of people who believe that violence is the answer to any threat. It's possible that they simply have de-evolved brains kind of like our ancestors who also believed killing and being killed were the solution to any conflict. The other possibility is they have some kind of mental illness because they believe a CIA agent is watching and listening to everything they are doing and at some point will get them.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    These are the type of people who believe that violence is the answer to any threat. It's possible that they simply have de-evolved brains kind of like our ancestors who also believed killing and being killed were the solution to any conflict. The other possibility is they have some kind of mental illness because they believe a CIA agent is watching and listening to everything they are doing and at some point will get them.
    I think it is hilariously fitting that you quoted yourself in this post.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    First to people who want to protect themself with guns typically just buy a gun or do they also practice?
    There are no clear statistics on this. My guess is that it's a mix. Some people will do target practice, some don't shoot much. Few do any sort of real drills in situations where their heart rate is up and adrenaline is pumping.


    Also what is the typical dangers for regulare citizen of violence in USA?
    There's the rub. As noted earlier:

    60% of all violent crimes are committed by a family member or an acquaintance
    79% of all murders where the offender is identified are committed by family, friends or acquaintances
    50% of assaults and homicides are committed by a spouse
    Suicide is the leading cause of violent death in the US
    New York City, which has 8.2 million residents, only had 414 homicides in 212 (5.1 per 100,000)
    Camden, one of the most violent cities in the US, had 67 homicides (60 per 100,000)

    When it comes to threats outside the home/immediate circle, it's very complicated. It's a big country; regions vary greatly; what happens in one city is very different than what happens in another.

    What we do know is that regardless of where you live, Americans are 15 times more likely to die in accidental circumstances, than to be killed by a gunshot wound (including both self-inflicted, and by someone else). E.g. in the US:

    - Firearm-related deaths are 10.3 per 100,000 people
    - Overall, auto deaths are 10.58 per 100,000 people
    - In rural areas, auto deaths are 27 per 100,000 people

    We should also note that the rates of violent crime in the US have been dropping since the early 1990s. So has gun ownership per household, which has steadily dropped from 50% in 1970, to around 30% today.

    I'd also say that owning a gun may not offer a lot of protection, in the long run, in many high-crime areas. For example, Camden is a high-crime city. If you use a gun to defend yourself, it is entirely possible that you'll have to defend yourself from someone who is involved in a criminal network (e.g. a gang, or a violent criminal with violent friends). You might protect yourself in the short term, while inciting someone to get you later.

    In short, the US is getting safer; you're much more likely to be killed in an accident than in a violent episode; most violent episodes are with someone you know, not a stranger; and the "armed home invader, intent on rape and murder" scenario is a very small risk. I'd say that while the US is more violent than most of Europe, the threats are often exaggerated.

    So it seems to me that owning a gun might offer protection to specific individuals in specific situations, but overall guns aren't a very effective means of increasing one's safety.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    The answer for most of these guys is..... More guns...

    Cold outside... More guns

    Someone farted... More guns

    Pizza delivery guy shows up 5 minutes late.... More guns.
    as opposed to the hoplophobes

    Guy kills his mother and steals his guns

    solution register the guns and make people wait to buy them (oops, Mrs Lanza did) and reinstate the "assault weapon ban"

    Guy plans for months, chains doors shut to prevent escape and shoots down 30+ unarmed victims at Virigina Tech

    solution-register guns, have a waiting period or ban guns


    Guy tries to assassinate a Congress lady and murders (federal capital crime) a sitting Federal judge

    solution-register guns, or ban guns

    Mormon visitor to NYC (visiting the US Open tennis tournament) is killed in the subway

    Solution-Anti gun former mayor David Dickhead demands more gun laws even though the boy was stabbed to death

    Convicted murderer in NYS sets an ambush for first responders and murders two firefighters with a rifle he could not legally own which was equipped with a 30 round magazine that was then illegal in NYS

    solution of Don Cuomo: limit magazines to 7 rounds

    banning guns seems to be the main goal of these schmucks in office-not crime control



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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    I was stuck between the wanting a gun and not on the pro-gun side. In order to want a gun around my family in a confined space, I personally would want to have training beyond going outside and shooting some targets. In the same thought, I would want to protect my family somehow.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    That is what practice is for. There is a better chance that your house will catch fire late at night then someone breaking into it with a firearm to kill your whole family. I don't see threads on here about how worried people are about the latter.

    It isn't as much of a Hot Topic, pardon the pun.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    There are no clear statistics on this. My guess is that it's a mix. Some people will do target practice, some don't shoot much. Few do any sort of real drills in situations where their heart rate is up and adrenaline is pumping.



    There's the rub. As noted earlier:

    60% of all violent crimes are committed by a family member or an acquaintance
    79% of all murders where the offender is identified are committed by family, friends or acquaintances
    50% of assaults and homicides are committed by a spouse
    Suicide is the leading cause of violent death in the US
    New York City, which has 8.2 million residents, only had 414 homicides in 212 (5.1 per 100,000)
    Camden, one of the most violent cities in the US, had 67 homicides (60 per 100,000)

    When it comes to threats outside the home/immediate circle, it's very complicated. It's a big country; regions vary greatly; what happens in one city is very different than what happens in another.

    What we do know is that regardless of where you live, Americans are 15 times more likely to die in accidental circumstances, than to be killed by a gunshot wound (including both self-inflicted, and by someone else). E.g. in the US:

    - Firearm-related deaths are 10.3 per 100,000 people
    - Overall, auto deaths are 10.58 per 100,000 people
    - In rural areas, auto deaths are 27 per 100,000 people

    We should also note that the rates of violent crime in the US have been dropping since the early 1990s. So has gun ownership per household, which has steadily dropped from 50% in 1970, to around 30% today.

    I'd also say that owning a gun may not offer a lot of protection, in the long run, in many high-crime areas. For example, Camden is a high-crime city. If you use a gun to defend yourself, it is entirely possible that you'll have to defend yourself from someone who is involved in a criminal network (e.g. a gang, or a violent criminal with violent friends). You might protect yourself in the short term, while inciting someone to get you later.

    In short, the US is getting safer; you're much more likely to be killed in an accident than in a violent episode; most violent episodes are with someone you know, not a stranger; and the "armed home invader, intent on rape and murder" scenario is a very small risk. I'd say that while the US is more violent than most of Europe, the threats are often exaggerated.

    So it seems to me that owning a gun might offer protection to specific individuals in specific situations, but overall guns aren't a very effective means of increasing one's safety.
    Intersting that it can also means it for example are more important with funding for woman shelters when people havings guns to protect themself from dangers.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    There are no clear statistics on this. My guess is that it's a mix. Some people will do target practice, some don't shoot much. Few do any sort of real drills in situations where their heart rate is up and adrenaline is pumping.



    There's the rub. As noted earlier:

    • 60% of all violent crimes are committed by a family member or an acquaintance
    • 79% of all murders where the offender is identified are committed by family, friends or acquaintances
    • 50% of assaults and homicides are committed by a spouse
    • Suicide is the leading cause of violent death in the US
    • New York City, which has 8.2 million residents, only had 414 homicides in 212 (5.1 per 100,000)
    • Camden, one of the most violent cities in the US, had 67 homicides (60 per 100,000)


    - Firearm-related deaths are 10.3 per 100,000 people
    - Overall, auto deaths are 10.58 per 100,000 people
    - In rural areas, auto deaths are 27 per 100,000 people
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    So how do those reasons negate the need for a gun? A gun can protect you in all those situations (except suicide and I, callously, do not care about that. Such people, except our returning vets, should have zero impact on our gun rights.)

    And the car vs gun stats are very relevant...yet no one actually seems to 'get' them.

    Most of gun deaths are from suicides and gang killings (people living in a culture of violence).

    Car deaths can and do happen to each and everyone of us everytime we step outside our home...we dont even have to be in a car to be hit. (Pedestrian & cyclist deaths are common here).

    People whine and fear guns yet run out casually to get milk, pop their kids in cars with strangers, etc etc etc.

    The only difference? Perspective. In America, we LOVE our cars and insist we cant live without them (false). And we have created a trend, different from the past, where people now irrationally hate and fear guns.

    Again, Americans, esp. kids are in MUCH more danger every day from cars than they ever are from guns. And that doenst include the millions injured in car accidents, which is much higher than gunshot wounds.
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