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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I dont understand why you jump strait to the conclusion that someone who does not think a gun would help in this situation is a hypocrite. Let me give you a few reasons why I don't think owning a gun in this situation necissarily protects you.

    Lets say the individual breaks into the home while your family is asleep. They have the upper hand already.
    Why did you have no warning that someone was breaking in? Why did you/your family have no time?
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) if your gun is locked and unloaded that is like saying you used your seat belt in your car when you sat on it. you have no gun
    Id rather not have a gun if It has to unsecured with children around.

    2) ask any cop, former LEO (me) or judge. If someone breaks into a home at night it is PRESUMED they are there to confront the occupants. THOSE WHO HAVE NO INTEREST in confrontation break in during the day or after casing the home to make sure it is empty.
    The point I was making is that most people dont break into a house to kill someone, they break into the house to steal stuff and get away. Even if their intention was to break in and kill you, then steal your stuff, having a firearm does not make you invincible. There is just as likely a chance you will be shot as it is the robber. If the robber had no intentions of shooting, and was just there to steal your stuff, a death or deaths are avoided.

    security systems generally don't prevent people from entering it alerts the cops when you aren't home or alerts you so you can call the cops (or in our case) ready a most suitable welcome for the intruders
    If people spent as much money on a security system as they did a gun, it could certainly prevent a robber from entering your home.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Id rather not have a gun if It has to unsecured with children around.



    The point I was making is that most people dont break into a house to kill someone, they break into the house to steal stuff and get away. Even if their intention was to break in and kill you, then steal your stuff, having a firearm does not make you invincible. There is just as likely a chance you will be shot as it is the robber. If the robber had no intentions of shooting, and was just there to steal your stuff, a death or deaths are avoided.



    If people spent as much money on a security system as they did a gun, it could certainly prevent a robber from entering your home.
    your claim about just as likely has no basis in fact and is stupid

    and yes, I advocate good security systems

    they guard the house when you are not home and they give you time to prepare your weapons when someone breaks in when you are home



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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I dont understand why you jump strait to the conclusion that someone who does not think a gun would help in this situation is a hypocrite. Let me give you a few reasons why I don't think owning a gun in this situation necissarily protects you.

    Lets say the individual breaks into the home while your family is asleep. They have the upper hand already. If I had a firearm in the house it would be locked up and unloaded. Especially if I have children, because that is how many of these children who get ahold of weapons shoot themselves. Their parents don't secure their weapons. So I would have to unsecure it and load it in the dark while this individual is in my house. If they have not already barged into a bedroom where I am or where any of my family is sleeping, I am already to late if they have ill intentions. Not only that, if they do have ill intentions other then simply robbing me, if they see that I have a firearm it will escalate the situation further. This escalation could get more people killed.

    The reality is, that most of the time when someone breaks into the house they are not interested in killing anyone. They have weapons to defend themselves in case you confront them. If you pull a weapon on them the will use their weapon as well. Which could get you or someone in your family killed. Where as if you had dealt with the situation without a firearm no one would be harmed. The problem I see with many who own firearms is they are all caught up in their own pride. "No one is going to steal my stuff" people say. As if the things they bought at a store are worth getting people killed over.

    If you want to catch these people, put up a security system in your home that will prevent them from entering. Or if they do happen to enter your home, they will not get away.


    Nah. I'd almost certainly know they were there well ahead of time.

    1. Dogs
    2. Alarms, cameras.
    3. Locks and things that take time or noise to penetrate.

    ... and certain other things I won't reveal in an open forum.

    And even when my son was little, I had loaded guns LOCKED in a fast-open safe in my bedroom... I could arm myself in three seconds upon awakening.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Nah. I'd almost certainly know they were there well ahead of time.

    1. Dogs
    2. Alarms, cameras.
    3. Locks and things that take time or noise to penetrate.

    ... and certain other things I won't reveal in an open forum.

    And even when my son was little, I had loaded guns LOCKED in a fast-open safe in my bedroom... I could arm myself in three seconds upon awakening.
    If your home security system is set up properly, bot yourself and your children have a good chance of escaping the house without having to confront the robber at all.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your claim about just as likely has no basis in fact and is stupid

    and yes, I advocate good security systems

    they guard the house when you are not home and they give you time to prepare your weapons when someone breaks in when you are home
    No... your stupid... stupid.. I can do that too.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    If your home security system is set up properly, bot yourself and your children have a good chance of escaping the house without having to confront the robber at all.

    Go for it, if you like.


    Let's see, do I want to run outside undressed herding sleepy children into the dark night with no knowledge of what is out there? Not really...

    And if you're questioning whether I'd have time to get a gun, I don't see how you expect to gather up sleeping children and escape the house in time... and do you know what's out that door you're egressing? You might run smack into another goblin...


    No thanks. I have other plans.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Go for it, if you like.


    Let's see, do I want to run outside undressed herding sleepy children into the dark night with no knowledge of what is out there? Not really...

    And if you're questioning whether I'd have time to get a gun, I don't see how you expect to gather up sleeping children and escape the house in time... and do you know what's out that door you're egressing? You might run smack into another goblin...


    No thanks. I have other plans.
    Most kids I know understand what a fire alarm sound means. It means to get out of the house. If you set up your security system so that they can hear the alarm, and also teach them how to evacuate when the alarm goes off and meet up in a specific place, you will be fine without confronting the gunman.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Most kids I know understand what a fire alarm sound means. It means to get out of the house. If you set up your security system so that they can hear the alarm, and also teach them how to evacuate when the alarm goes off and meet up in a specific place, you will be fine without confronting the gunman.


    That's an assumption. A big one. You're welcome to take that chance if you like.

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