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  • I am anti-gun, and I would want a gun.

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  • I am anti-gun, and I wouldn't want a gun.

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  • I am pro-gun, and I would want a gun.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It seems like you know nothing about preparation and tactics. No one said they'd just start firing....(did they? it's been alot of pages). It's about how they would counter the invasion and if they'd want a gun to do so. It shows alot of ignorance of tactics if you think that means just starting shooting.
    Give me a scenario where you are using preparation and tactics without firing?

    How about the original OP where a group of armed men are in your house. Tell me how this scenario plays out in your mind.

    Please be detailed. I can't wait.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Give me a scenario where you are using preparation and tactics without firing?

    How about the original OP where a group of armed men are in your house. Tell me how this scenario plays out in your mind.

    Please be detailed. I can't wait.
    It depends a great deal on the layout of your house, how many people are in it, and your hardening of that home. Do you have a single staircase up to the 2nd floor? Do you have a means to block that? Do you have a plan for your wife to take all kids into a saferoom? How is that room set up? Can they lock themselves in, is there an actual place of cover (bullet resistant) for them?

    What are you communicating to the armed men? That you are armed? (even if not?) That you have called 911? Can you join the family in the safe room? Do you have any diversions?

    This is just off the top of my head. It's just me at my house, in a saferoom/bedroom with gun safe, ammo, gun sitting out on night stand shelf, land line, cell phone, high intensity flashlight, and actual cover plus an odd floorplan. I can get to that room before anyone can cut me off from almost anywhere in my house (Maybe not if I'm in a back spare bedroom, which is unusual). I hopefully never have to fire a shot after declaring my intentions and calling 911....but if I do, I'm prepared.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I'm curious about how anti-gunners would feel in real, dangerous situations. It's easy to decry the horrors of gun ownership in the safety of your armchair, but if the lives of you and your family were at risk would your convictions still hold?

    The scenario:
    It's late at night in your house, you and your family are asleep, when armed men break in. You don't know if they're there to rob you, rape you, murder you, or all of the above. At that point would you wish you had a gun?

    The way I see it, if you're anti-gun and would still want a gun to defend yourself in this scenario you're a hypocrite. This isn't an absurd scenario. It happens daily in just about every country in the world. So what say you?

    I dont understand why you jump strait to the conclusion that someone who does not think a gun would help in this situation is a hypocrite. Let me give you a few reasons why I don't think owning a gun in this situation necissarily protects you.

    Lets say the individual breaks into the home while your family is asleep. They have the upper hand already. If I had a firearm in the house it would be locked up and unloaded. Especially if I have children, because that is how many of these children who get ahold of weapons shoot themselves. Their parents don't secure their weapons. So I would have to unsecure it and load it in the dark while this individual is in my house. If they have not already barged into a bedroom where I am or where any of my family is sleeping, I am already to late if they have ill intentions. Not only that, if they do have ill intentions other then simply robbing me, if they see that I have a firearm it will escalate the situation further. This escalation could get more people killed.

    The reality is, that most of the time when someone breaks into the house they are not interested in killing anyone. They have weapons to defend themselves in case you confront them. If you pull a weapon on them the will use their weapon as well. Which could get you or someone in your family killed. Where as if you had dealt with the situation without a firearm no one would be harmed. The problem I see with many who own firearms is they are all caught up in their own pride. "No one is going to steal my stuff" people say. As if the things they bought at a store are worth getting people killed over.

    If you want to catch these people, put up a security system in your home that will prevent them from entering. Or if they do happen to enter your home, they will not get away.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I dont understand why you jump strait to the conclusion that someone who does not think a gun would help in this situation is a hypocrite. Let me give you a few reasons why I don't think owning a gun in this situation necissarily protects you.

    Lets say the individual breaks into the home while your family is asleep. They have the upper hand already. If I had a firearm in the house it would be locked up and unloaded. Especially if I have children, because that is how many of these children who get ahold of weapons shoot themselves. Their parents don't secure their weapons. So I would have to unsecure it and load it in the dark while this individual is in my house. If they have not already barged into a bedroom where I am or where any of my family is sleeping, I am already to late if they have ill intentions. Not only that, if they do have ill intentions other then simply robbing me, if they see that I have a firearm it will escalate the situation further. This escalation could get more people killed.

    The reality is, that most of the time when someone breaks into the house they are not interested in killing anyone. They have weapons to defend themselves in case you confront them. If you pull a weapon on them the will use their weapon as well. Which could get you or someone in your family killed. Where as if you had dealt with the situation without a firearm no one would be harmed. The problem I see with many who own firearms is they are all caught up in their own pride. "No one is going to steal my stuff" people say. As if the things they bought at a store are worth getting people killed over.

    If you want to catch these people, put up a security system in your home that will prevent them from entering. Or if they do happen to enter your home, they will not get away.
    1) if your gun is locked and unloaded that is like saying you used your seat belt in your car when you sat on it. you have no gun

    2) ask any cop, former LEO (me) or judge. If someone breaks into a home at night it is PRESUMED they are there to confront the occupants. THOSE WHO HAVE NO INTEREST in confrontation break in during the day or after casing the home to make sure it is empty.

    security systems generally don't prevent people from entering it alerts the cops when you aren't home or alerts you so you can call the cops (or in our case) ready a most suitable welcome for the intruders



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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I do not live in fear of unlikely events happening.
    A very ignorant statement, to say the least. There's difference in living in fear and being prepared for the worst case scenario. I don't lay in my bed all night waiting on armed men to break in. However, I also know exactly what I would do if they did. That's just the right the thing to. Especially if you have a family.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Two can play this game.

    What say you to this similarly unlikely and absurd situation:

    Thieves break in to steal your TV, and you go downstairs to check it out. As is almost always the case, the thieves only want your stuff and to leave. They threaten you to go away, and they start to make good their escape.

    Suddenly you dive for your gun cabinet near your TV, throw it open, and one of the thieves, upon realising his life is in mortal danger because some moron intends to shoot him, hits you over the head with his crowbar.

    At what point do you wish you had not had any guns in the house?
    So your point is that your scenario is just as "absurd" as the one he made up? Please, by all means, produce a few links to scenarios similar to this one occurring. While you wait, I'm sure he could post thousands of links to articles describing the exact scenario he put forth. What is absurd is your failure to realize how unlikely your scenario is compared to his.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Long time ago ( I was single at the time), guys broke into my home. Would having a gun change the outcome? No, because I was a good sleeper back then and didn't wake up until they were right next to my bed. Thank the Lord, they were only after money and I got away with some severe bruises.
    Now I am a light sleeper, and when I am alone at home and hear a strange noise, I grab the pepper spray and check out what is going on. Having "been there", I actually feel more confident. Oh, and we do own a gun.
    You do know there are people that are immune to pepper spray correct? Also, pepper spray is not all solving. I've been sprayed twice (for training purposes) and I was still able to function ie throw punches, shoot a gun, etc. I've never met anyone allergic to a hollow point.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Absolutely. I own a few different guns.

    My only issue is the with the few people who seem to insist, or insinuate that people who don't want to own a gun are somehow less caring, less intelligent, or even negligent when it comes to their homes and families.
    I would go so far as to say they are less caring and negligent. It goes without saying that the vast majority of individuals performing home invasions are going to have some sort of firearm. No weapon will match their firearm except another firearm. IMO, if a person has anyone in their home that they love or are responsible for, they should have a firearm in their home to defend that person(s). Sure, you throw the locks on, the flood lights, the alarm system, etc. But if a meth head wants money, he's not caring about that stuff. He's getting in regardless of how many ADT stickers you have on your front door or how illuminated he is standing outside. That's when the firearm is the last line of defense.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    So your point is that your scenario is just as "absurd" as the one he made up? Please, by all means, produce a few links to scenarios similar to this one occurring. While you wait, I'm sure he could post thousands of links to articles describing the exact scenario he put forth. What is absurd is your failure to realize how unlikely your scenario is compared to his.
    My point is that it is a reductio ad absurdum. At what point does it cross the line from prudence to paranoia?

    Where do you keep your gun when you sleep at night? The bedside table? Under your pillow?

    What if someone breaks in while you're on the toilet -- I hope you have a gun in the bathroom!

    Or you're in the shower, can't get to your room -- do you shower with your gun? If not, you're playing with the lives of your family, you careless fool!

    It's silly. These scenarios are all unlikely. It just generates paranoia when you lend them credence.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I've never met anyone allergic to a hollow point.
    I thought everyone was.

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