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  • I am anti-gun, and I would want a gun.

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  • I am anti-gun, and I wouldn't want a gun.

    6 8.82%
  • I am pro-gun, and I would want a gun.

    58 85.29%
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    only you would think james madsion is irrleavent, when it comes to the constutution.
    Next to the document itself, any individuals opinion is irrelevant.

    You continue to make the same fatal flaw over and over and over and over in thread after thread after thread after thread. You want to pretend that the opinion of Madison should be the defining decider in any question about what the Constitution means. Sorry - it does not work that way since his opinion has no force of law.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Next to the document itself, any individuals opinion is irrelevant.

    You continue to make the same fatal flaw over and over and over and over in thread after thread after thread after thread. You want to pretend that the opinion of Madison should be the defining decider in any question about what the Constitution means. Sorry - it does not work that way since his opinion has no force of law.
    oh I see, this is your statement, you have been so wrong about the constitution every time to talk about it, and please, just please tell me how correct you are about so I can post some of your famous points about....i saved them for you.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh I see, this is your statement, you have been so wrong about the constitution every time to talk about it, and please, just please tell me how correct you are about so I can post some of your famous points about....i saved them for you.
    I have no idea what you are talking about an apparently neither do you as your personal attack was totally devoid of any specific substance.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have no idea what you are talking about an apparently neither do you as your personal attack was totally devoid of any specific substance.
    well I see we are back to your usual..."I don't know what your talking about"

    so its a personal attack??????, to state you are wrong about the constitution...and to provide statements from you showing you to be incorrect when you made them?

    stop acting as though you got an apple with a worn in it from a student.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well I see we are back to your usual..."I don't know what your talking about"

    so its a personal attack??????, to state you are wrong about the constitution...and to provide statements from you showing you to be incorrect when you made them?

    stop acting as though you got an apple with a worn in it from a student.
    You DID NOT state anything where I was wrong about the Constitution. Your post was completely absent of any such documentation.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You DID NOT state anything where I was wrong about the Constitution. Your post was completely absent of any such documentation.
    I referred to and said I CAN....."would you like for me to post your incorrect statements on the constitution?

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    I referred to and said I CAN....."would you like for me to post your incorrect statements on the constitution?
    and you have failed to do so
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and you have failed to do so
    no I didn't fail, I will produce them now since you want proof of your constitutional failures....here is your latest big constitutional error


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    STOP IT AND STOP IT NOW!

    How long will you continue to hijack the Constitution and the Founders who wrote it?

    How long will you be blind to what is actually in it and not the nightmare fantasy that you want it to be?

    Where do you get the absurd idea that the founders endorsed a system with no compulsory taxation? Just where did this self imposed delusion bubble up from?
    Article I, Section 8, paragraph 1 gives Congress the power to lay and collect taxes. And paragraph 18 of that same section gives them the power to make all laws necessary to carry out and execute that power.

    You have really stepped into it this time


    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post


    You made up the crap about taxes placed on states as IT DOES NOT SAY THAT IN THE CONSTITUTION.

    Your own twisted perversion of the Constitution is bad enough but when you have to resort to outright lying - that is way way way over the bounds of decency.
    Article 1 section 2 clause 3---Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three.


    Article 1 section 9 clause 4--No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.


    Definition of CAPITATION

    1: a direct uniform tax imposed on each head or person

    Capitation Tax

    An assessment levied by the government upon a person at a fixed rate regardless of income or worth.

    Since it is a tax upon the individual, and not upon merchandise, a capitation tax is frequently labeled a head tax

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no I didn't fail, I will produce them now since you want proof of your constitutional failures....here is your latest big constitutional error








    Article 1 section 2 clause 3---Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three.


    Article 1 section 9 clause 4--No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.


    Definition of CAPITATION

    1: a direct uniform tax imposed on each head or person

    Capitation Tax

    An assessment levied by the government upon a person at a fixed rate regardless of income or worth.

    Since it is a tax upon the individual, and not upon merchandise, a capitation tax is frequently labeled a head tax
    Balderdash. There is absolutley not one precendent in American jurisprudence to agree with your radical interpretation. If so, please present it.

    And get a clue Barkmann - your post is not claiming that I am making an error regarding the Constitution but every Congress and ever President and ever Supreme Court has made the error and I simply am telling you what the law is.

    And that reality in and all by itself tells everyone just what kind of belief system you really have going there.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Balderdash. There is absolutley not one precendent in American jurisprudence to agree with your radical interpretation. If so, please present it.

    And get a clue Barkmann - your post is not claiming that I am making an error regarding the Constitution but every Congress and ever President and ever Supreme Court has made the error and I simply am telling you what the law is.

    And that reality in and all by itself tells everyone just what kind of belief system you really have going there.
    i have posted your failings on the constitution enough i could create a small book on them...

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