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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    No, I don't believe in "what ifs" when things go south. Either you meet force with force or you will lose. If that is "auto pilot" then I have done my job.
    No when force is your first option you will lose.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    No when force is your first option you will lose.
    Really? How so. I am prepared, practiced, trained. How would I lose? Situational awareness is a mind set. Either you have it or you don't.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Again, another situation that you fail to realize. Everyones living arrangements are different. There are no children in my home any more. I do what I have to for my family at the time.
    When there were kids at home. I was even more vigilant.
    Yes there are different situations. We arent going to sit here and cover every possible living scenario.

    If you have a group of armed men in your home and you open fire, odds are you are going to die no matter how many Van Damme movies you've seen. If you have a family in that home, they are now likely to be killed too.

    The smartest, and safest thing to do in the scenario described in the OP where a group of armed men are in your home is to leave with your family. If that doesn't work; hide. If you can't hide, can't escape and are discovered, then as a last resort I can see using force. But turning a robbery into your families murder so you can be macho or some retarded mentality like that is just dumb.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Really? How so. I am prepared, practiced, trained. How would I lose? Situational awareness is a mind set. Either you have it or you don't.
    I am sure that you can take down a group of armed men by yourself. you are super tough. i am so impressed. Luckily movies have taught us the good guy never misses, the bad guys cant aim, and they all will go down with one shot anywhere in the body and you can take 9 or 10.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I am sure that you can take down a group of armed men by yourself. you are super tough. i am so impressed. Luckily movies have taught us the good guy never misses, the bad guys cant aim, and they all will go down with one shot anywhere in the body and you can take 9 or 10.

    You types just cant stand anyone to have balls. You think we should all just run away at the first sign of trouble or cower in fear while hoping the police get there before anything really bad happens.
    I have no delusions of grandeur but anyone doing, attempting doing harm or theft or in my home is going to find me willing and ready to kill them in defense of my family. Any thing less is unacceptable as a husband and father.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Two can play this game.

    What say you to this similarly unlikely and absurd situation:

    Thieves break in to steal your TV, and you go downstairs to check it out. As is almost always the case, the thieves only want your stuff and to leave. They threaten you to go away, and they start to make good their escape.

    Suddenly you dive for your gun cabinet near your TV, throw it open, and one of the thieves, upon realising his life is in mortal danger because some moron intends to shoot him, hits you over the head with his crowbar.

    At what point do you wish you had not had any guns in the house?
    Thanks a lot Ad_Captandum, you had to bring in crowbars into the discussion. We hear on the left coast can expect the libs in Sacramento on Monday morning introducing legislation on crowbar restrictions on where and who can posses one, crowbar lengths what they can look like and probably background checks.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    You types just cant stand anyone to have balls. You think we should all just run away at the first sign of trouble or cower in fear while hoping the police get there before anything really bad happens.
    I have no delusions of grandeur but anyone doing, attempting doing harm or theft or in my home is going to find me willing and ready to kill them in defense of my family. Any thing less is unacceptable as a husband and father.
    Turning a robbery into your family being murdered is not defending them. No matter how you spin it. My first responsibility is keeping my family safe.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    not this crap again. most of the studies include as a gun in the home, cases where the intruder brought the firearm. most of those people killed are criminals carrying guns legally. and the DOJ has found that armed victims who resist violent attacks are far less likely to be injured than those who submit.



    If one is afraid of owning a gun-Do NOT OWN ONE. but citing silly studies that set out with the goal of demonizing gun ownership isn't going to convince anyone who understands the issue.
    That was not what was happening in this study but it makes sense that you would be in denial since you believe you couldn't live without a gun.

    It would be impractical – not to say unethical – to randomly assign volunteers to carry a gun or not and see what happens. So Charles Branas's team at the University of Pennsylvania analysed 677 shootings over two-and-a-half years to discover whether victims were carrying at the time, and compared them to other Philly residents of similar age, sex and ethnicity. The team also accounted for other potentially confounding differences, such as the socioeconomic status of their neighbourhood.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Turning a robbery into your family being murdered is not defending them. No matter how you spin it. My first responsibility is keeping my family safe.
    How is me being prepared, going to (seemingly to you) get them killed? You have this thing that the criminals are always going to win and I have no choice but to run away like a scared little child.
    YOU run, YOU turn tail, YOU cower. I wont. Not under any circumstances. You do what you think is best, but your method is unproven.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Turning a robbery into your family being murdered is not defending them. No matter how you spin it. My first responsibility is keeping my family safe.
    Do you know how many times a year people use guns in self defense? According to the FBI its 103,000 occurring in the home.

    Given that only ~16k people are killed by guns a year, most of them being suicides, how many people do you think failed to protect their family? Take a guess, if its greater than 1000 you're wrong. I'll take those odds, 99% chance of not being at the mercy of an armed criminal.

    This 17 year old girl was no Rambo, but she was trained and armed and prepared to fire every round at the criminal in this home invasion.

    I read at least a dozen of these stories every day, wanna know what self defense story I've never seen? One where someone wished they didn't have a gun.

    A man who cannot protect his family... I'm not sure can be called a man.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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