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  • I am anti-gun, and I would want a gun.

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  • I am anti-gun, and I wouldn't want a gun.

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  • I am pro-gun, and I would want a gun.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Mine was not affluent, We all had basic split levels or ramblers, like mine (1100 sq feet). Everybody has electronics that can be grabbed fast.

    Low? Yes. Extremely low? No, it's on the news all the time.

    And again, you are completely wrong about the OP scenario. They've had shows on the Discovery channel that demontrated and helped people plan for things like home invasion, house fire, sudden flooding, etc.

    Hey....if you want to stick with the unrealistic nature and low risk of home invasions, they people shouldnt bother worrying about hardening the defenses or other planning in our schools. Those shooting are extremely rare and there are solid #s to prove that.
    Odds a house experiencing a fire in any given year: 0.317%

    Odds of a house flooding that is outside of a flood plain: Basically its Noah's Ark territory.

    That is not to say you should not be prepared for a house fire, or a flood, or you shouldn't have a gun to protect yourself, but the odds are quite small just the same.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    No. Keeping your family out of a gunfight has much higher survival rates than knowingly putting them in the middle of a gunfight where you are out numbered.
    We are not talking about keeping them out of a gun fight, a fight is on. Per the OP. Either that or you are willing to be at the mercy of the criminal.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Its a question of risk. The reason why someone would state "I never thought something like that would happen here." is the odds of it are extremely small. For example, the murder rate, which would include the much more common domestic homicides, is 1.1 per 100,000 in the county I live in. Considering that the majority of murders are committed by other members of your family or those you are acquainted with in some way, the odds of being a victim of a home invasion style murder in my county is literally millions to one.

    In comparison, the odds of developing lung cancer if you are a smoker is 1 in 5 with a survival rate of less than 50%. The odds of developing type 2 diabetes if you are overweight is 1 in 3. The odds of dying prematurely due to heart disease if you are overweight is 1 in 5. Now I don't know about you, but I know a fair number of people that are overweight, don't exercise regularly, don't eat that well, or smoke that are armed to the teeth for fear of being a victim of a violent crime. They worry about something happening to them that is extraordinarily rare for the community they live in, but they obviously don't understand the risk of what their lifestyle choices entail, and maybe committing themselves to a horrible death from cancer or some other chronic disease because of it. Point being, a lot of people are very poor judges of risk.
    Do you keep a fire extinguisher in your home?

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I dont know where you got that number but how about some sources.

    And it's obvious you have done what you need to sleep at nite. I hope you never find out.

    I hope I never find out.
    I, of course, agree that hopefully, we never find out.

    I have a 1911 loaded with hollow points, 15 of them. I did wake my wife up last night. I was sleep walking again. I was incapable of finding the bathroom, so I figure my pistol is safe stashed in the closet. She thought that I was an intruder. No sense putting guns under our pillows.

    That 10000 number is superficial.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    I "hear of" aliens landing and performing experiments on people too. Doesn't make it true.

    Here's a fact.


    So that's 1 in 3 million.
    How about rapes? How about the older couple that were tied up and beaten and left for dead? (Several times a yr here.) How about the people shot that didnt die?

    These types of breakins are on the news weekly...with people HOME. SOmetimes they do not get harmed....if it's your family, would you rather be prepared to protect them or stand there and leave your fate in the hands of the attackers?

    And suicide rates have nothing to do with this...that is someone intentionally doing something and I personally do not care about them. THat is their problem, that and what they do to their families. It may sound callous but their problems should have NOTHING to do with MY rights to own/carry a firearm. My only sympathy is for our vets.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Odds a house experiencing a fire in any given year: 0.317%

    Odds of a house flooding that is outside of a flood plain: Basically its Noah's Ark territory.

    That is not to say you should not be prepared for a house fire, or a flood, or you shouldn't have a gun to protect yourself, but the odds are quite small just the same.
    And the point of the OP is....WOULD YOU prepare for that scenario?

    So thanks for proving his point, and mine.

    Do you have fire drills and plans for a house fire with your family?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    I'm pro gun and would want a gun in this situation.

    No one ever thinks it going to happen to them but yet it happens. Don't be a victim.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I think its funny that there are people that live in a neighborhood like this one below:

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    That live in some mortal fear of some sort of home invasion and thus arm themselves to the teeth against it.... despite the odds of such a thing happening to them in that kind of a community being astronomically small. Yet they might smoke, eat poorly, or not exercise regularly, and thus practically insure they will not live as long as they otherwise would have. And or they allow their kids to eat poorly and become overweight or obese, and thus practically insure that their kids will not live as long as they otherwise would have.

    I say this as a gun owner and I am pro-gun, but it has been my experience though that those that are armed to the teeth because of some irrational fear of being raped or murdered by armed gangs in their home are usually some of the worst judges of actual risk out there.
    Research has shown that the hours of television someone watches is directly related to their perception that the risk of violence is higher than it actually is.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Believing that one knows what the 55 Founders had in mind in terms of intent is indeed PRETENDING. It is also an act of intellectual arrogance not to mention invoking a tactic reeking of intellectual dishonesty since one DOES NOT have to discuss what actually is but can then pretend to somehow magically "know" what was in the minds of 55 people who have been dead some two centuries now and who live in a world that has changed radically from the one they lived in.

    People who write documents and laws are often surprised when their very words come back to bite them in the ass with unforeseen consequences. In my three years working in the Michigan legislature I worked on many bills. A good percentage of my time was going back to previously enacted legislation which was now on the books as law but had some unforeseen result or consequence that the writer or some backer had no foreseen. All legislatures have this problem and some jokingly call it an effort to clean up behind the elephant which has already walked through town. Why should the results of the Founders work be any different? They provided what they provided and if their powers to look into the future and predict with 100% accuracy the results of their work is not what they may have hoped it would be - then so be it as simply the nature of the game.
    Many people consider the Founding Fathers to be saints guided by God who were incapable of making any mistakes.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Research has shown that the hours of television someone watches is directly related to their perception that the risk of violence is higher than it actually is.
    Then I'd expect most Americans to be terrified and armed to the teeth.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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