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  • I am anti-gun, and I would want a gun.

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  • I am pro-gun, and I would want a gun.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    I think its funny that there are people that live in a neighborhood like this one below:

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    That live in some mortal fear of some sort of home invasion and thus arm themselves to the teeth against it.... despite the odds of such a thing happening to them in that kind of a community being astronomically small. Yet they might smoke, eat poorly, or not exercise regularly, and thus practically insure they will not live as long as they otherwise would have. And or they allow their kids to eat poorly and become overweight or obese, and thus practically insure that their kids will not live as long as they otherwise would have.

    I say this as a gun owner and I am pro-gun, but it has been my experience though that those that are armed to the teeth because of some irrational fear of being raped or murdered by armed gangs in their home are usually some of the worst judges of actual risk out there.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The Founders wrote the document they wrote and it provides the powers it provides.

    In my three years working in the Michigan legislature I worked on many bills. A good percentage of my time was going back to previously enacted legislation which was now on the books as law but had some unforeseen result or consequence that the writer or some backer had no foreseen. All legislatures have this problem and some jokingly call it an effort to clean up behind the elephant which has already walked through town. Why should the results of the Founders work be any different? They provided what they provided and if their powers to look into the future and predict with 100% accuracy the results of their work is not what they may have hoped it would be - then so be it as simply the nature of the game.

    But I will not judge anyones so called intent when that record is not crystal clear and is not at all complete. Playing that game is a losing proposition for everyone as it yields no results which can be said to be 100% accurate and beyond any doubt. I simply accept the document as it is and what it says without trying to play the game of reading the minds of people who have been dead for nearly two centuries now and who live in a world which is no longer with us.
    lots of words-nothing relevant. the fact is my interpretation is far more sensible than pretending that the founders intended all sorts of powers for a federal government that are state issues like what sort of firearms private citizens could own.



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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What specific "Founders intent" are you referring to?
    uh that the CC was not supposed to be intrusive into intrastate issues



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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Having a gun is like having insurance (home, health, whatever): it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. All of them give some measure of protection (financial or physical) in the circumstance of unlikely events. Guns have the added bonus of being fun, certainly much moreso than fiddling with insurance policies.

    Oh, BTW, silencers are legal in Texas, but the feds require NFA application/tax stamp. Absolutely ridiculous, as any other device that both lessened the chance of ear damage AND lowered noise pollution would not only be legal but mandatory, but such is the result of the nanny-staters getting their way for over 80 years.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    I just hope you can differentiate between people who want gun control and people who actually want guns banned from public use.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Csareo View Post
    Of course I would want a gun. I wouldn't use it though, due to personal convictions. BTW, this only proves that this site is a conservative haven. I don't like the term "anti gun" though. Does anybody truly want to take away all guns?
    Taking away all guns from all private citizens is the stated goal of several gun groups.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    lots of words-nothing relevant. the fact is my interpretation is far more sensible than pretending that the founders intended all sorts of powers for a federal government that are state issues like what sort of firearms private citizens could own.
    Believing that one knows what the 55 Founders had in mind in terms of intent is indeed PRETENDING. It is also an act of intellectual arrogance not to mention invoking a tactic reeking of intellectual dishonesty since one DOES NOT have to discuss what actually is but can then pretend to somehow magically "know" what was in the minds of 55 people who have been dead some two centuries now and who live in a world that has changed radically from the one they lived in.

    People who write documents and laws are often surprised when their very words come back to bite them in the ass with unforeseen consequences. In my three years working in the Michigan legislature I worked on many bills. A good percentage of my time was going back to previously enacted legislation which was now on the books as law but had some unforeseen result or consequence that the writer or some backer had no foreseen. All legislatures have this problem and some jokingly call it an effort to clean up behind the elephant which has already walked through town. Why should the results of the Founders work be any different? They provided what they provided and if their powers to look into the future and predict with 100% accuracy the results of their work is not what they may have hoped it would be - then so be it as simply the nature of the game.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    I just hope you can differentiate between people who want gun control and people who actually want guns banned from public use.
    Good luck with that hope. You will soon discover that there is a type of person who willingly pretends that anyone who is not on the far right of the gun issue is to be lumped in with those who want to repeal the Second Amendment and ban guns. They refuse to deal with subtleties and gray areas or the middle ground since it is those people who are the real threat to their agenda. You see Robbie, the gun banners are also on the extreme margins and they have no chance of success either legislatively or politically. So they are no threat to the far right gun crowd. But the people who support gun ownership for things like self defense, home protection, hunting and sporting but who favor registration and background checks or limits on magazine size are the ones who get demonized since they have a chance at success and they are ones who then get the worst vitriol and hatred of the gun righties. So it is necessary for them to ignore the subtleties.... to pretend that the differences do not exist .... and to outright demonize those who do not support the gun lobby agenda.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that the CC was not supposed to be intrusive into intrastate issues
    They wrote the Constitution giving power to Congress over interstate commerce among other things. Article I, Section 8, paragraph 3. They gave Congress power over the militia in the same article and section paragraph 16. So you are incorrect in your assumptions about their intent.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    No. Keeping your family out of a gunfight has much higher survival rates than knowingly putting them in the middle of a gunfight where you are out numbered.
    Not if who you should be fighting are going to victimize them later.

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