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  • I am anti-gun, and I would want a gun.

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  • I am anti-gun, and I wouldn't want a gun.

    6 8.82%
  • I am pro-gun, and I would want a gun.

    58 85.29%
  • I am pro-gun, and I wouldn't want a gun.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is so moronic that anyone who utters it is condemned to the rubbish Heap of idiots because the entire purpose was to allow citizens to bear the same weapons as the militia. There was no restriction based on the state of the art in 1789

    and the 2A does not say that so you are again lying Its like saying Protestant denominations that were not in existence in 1789 are not covered by the First Amendment or that forms of execution and torture not known in that era can never be objectionable as cruel or unusual


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    I am sorry but I have no idea what using terms like MORONIC and IDIOTS have to do with the intellectual contradictions of positions constantly taken for you self but criticize in regarding the arguments of others. Either the Constitution is limited to the conditions at the time of its adoption or it adapts to the new developments throughout history. You cannot have it one way with your claim about you defining what constitutes arms and then belittle or berate others when they want to limit arms to that same period.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    everyone who has studied the constitution. those who support the current expansion of the commerce clause always defend it in terms of "it was best for the nation" rather than it was a proper application of original intent.
    Which is clearly NOT everybody else now that you put your own special ideological and very personal qualifiers upon it rendering the term EVERYBODY ELSE completely and utterly without any true meaning.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    here is the quote again...



    no where is the word constitution posted......so am i suppose to jump into the constitution...

    the post means you state something, and i post something from the founders that counters your statement...making it wrong
    The only collective document on government the 55 Founders gave us was the Constitution. So what in that am I or did I trying to prove wrong?

    Your problem is that you commit the mortal sin of intellectual fraud and trickery in invoking the sainted term THE FOUNDERS when you do not mean the FOUNDERS at all buy only an individual or two.

    Your dishonest tactics have been exposed and you should cease and desist in this fraud when you are clearly NOT referring to the work of the 55 FOUNDERS but only selected individuals who agree with some of your own views.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Which is clearly NOT everybody else now that you put your own special ideological and very personal qualifiers upon it rendering the term EVERYBODY ELSE completely and utterly without any true meaning.
    who has publicly claimed that FDR's "discovery" of this power was consistent with the founders intent?



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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I am sorry but I have no idea what using terms like MORONIC and IDIOTS have to do with the intellectual contradictions of positions constantly taken for you self but criticize in regarding the arguments of others. Either the Constitution is limited to the conditions at the time of its adoption or it adapts to the new developments throughout history. You cannot have it one way with your claim about you defining what constitutes arms and then belittle or berate others when they want to limit arms to that same period.

    its dishonest and moronic to pretend that the founders-people who had just thrown off England's tyranny and who believed in Natural rights, would delegate all sorts of unwritten powers that have nothing to do with international issues to a national government

    in other words, its unbelievable anyone can say -with a straight face-that retail firearms sales or how an individual citizen keeps and bears arms is something the founders thought was an area of federal concern or federal jurisdiction



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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    What line needs to be drawn. Enforce the laws we have, leave legal gun owners alone. Pretty simple concept.
    And make sure the owners are held responsible for what's done with their guns.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I do not live in fear of unlikely events happening.
    Do you have a family? Do you/did you have a plan for a house fire, and do drills and have a meeting place?

    Did you teach your kids what to do if a stranger ever approached them and tried to grab them? WHat to do if adults touched them in 'bad places?'

    These are things that prudent people do...not fearful ones.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am addressing the OP, just not in the way you want. I am highlighting the absurdity of your argument.

    Oh, and by the way, you know what is more effective than owning a gun for home invasions? Prevention.
    Interesting...what 'prevention' keeps out really motivated invaders? The ones that grab a visitor or your kid as they enter?

    Dogs? Alarms? Great...what happens in the minutes before the cops get there?

    What kind of locks and barriers to you have that are foolproof? I need to know because I'd love that rather than EVER needing to use my firearm.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Do you know how much a timer on a light costs? While you cannot drop the chance to zero, you can significantly reduce the chance.

    And yes I am addressing the OP. I am not answering his question, but every single post has been on the very topic he started.
    You leave a light on in your house all night long? Every night? If someone cases your house, they'll pick that up pretty quick.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    It's easy to create a "what if" scenario.

    I'm not an "anti-gunner".

    But having a gun isn't a fool-proof and definitive absolute when it comes to day-to-day survival and happiness.

    Someone who doesn't want a gun can have an alarm system that sounds loud sirens, flashes lights, and immediately calls 911 for them when intruders break into their house. They could have a large dog, or multiple dogs for protection. A cell phone to call 911 immediately. Pepper spray. Tasers.

    I can "what if" your scenario into:

    Suppose, even if you have fully locked and loaded automatic weapons on your night stand 12 inches from your head, the "murderer" wakes you up by sticking the barrel of his 50 caliber desert eagle directly into your mouth before you can even clear your vision enough to know what's going on?

    What good will your gun do you if the murderous intruder wakes you by kicking the bed while holding your daughter by the hair with a gun pointed right up under her chin?

    What if the murderous intruder enters your house with no weapons, but then finds yours right nest to your bed while you're still asleep?

    Seriously, people can play "what if" games until the cows come home.

    Owning a gun does not make you immune to violence and or misfortune.

    Not owning a gun doesn't make you irresponsible, unloving, uncaring, or ignorant.

    In all those cases, you are still waiting for the police to come save you. Have you at least set up a safe room for yourself?

    Home invasion, murder, rape....take minutes....how long until the cops come?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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