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  • I am anti-gun, and I would want a gun.

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  • I am anti-gun, and I wouldn't want a gun.

    6 8.82%
  • I am pro-gun, and I would want a gun.

    58 85.29%
  • I am pro-gun, and I wouldn't want a gun.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Again, where do we draw the line?
    That question is for you to answer. You claim to not want to deny law abiding citizens the right to keep and bear, then list those I don't need, to include AR 15 styles, sniper rifles, any weapons based on military calibers, .22s if they look scary. Many others.

    Why don't you tell me what you think I should be allowed to keep and bear? It shouldn't take long.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    James Madisons opinion is also irrelevant as it also has no force of law.

    You lied about what the Second Amendment says. Your argument is without truth or honor.

    sorry, you cant deal with truth...

    all the 10 amendments are declaratory restrictive to the federal government...they give the government no powers at all!

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    is not part of the Constitution and you darn well know it from our previous conversations in which you were unable to present a single shred of evidence that it was ratified.

    Clue for you Herr Barkmann: the First Amendment and the Second Amendment are two different things with two very different wordings and cover two (or more) very different subjects. Do NOT confuse one with the other. Do NOT attempt to substitute the language contained in one for the other.
    lets see ...the preamble to the constitution is part of the constitution , but the preamble to the bill of rights is not part of the constitution???...........please, you can do better than that.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is totally honest. It DOES NOT HAVE TO MENTION FIREARMS. The powers authorize Congress and lots of things can be included in taking those actions - firearms just one of them. But, your own argument is incorrect as paragraphs specificly covers arms.
    nope-it was not intended to be a general grant of power

    we all know FDR didn't like that and got his pet monkeys to ignore the 10A

    what is hilarious is how you claim sections that were never seen as gun control power grants for 130 years clearly intend that while limiting the 2A so much as to render it meaningless

    in other words-your constitutional interpretation is either narrow or expansive depending on what outcome you want



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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It doesn't specify, mostly because at the time, the people were the military, there was no absurd dick waving contest going on. It also doesn't restrict private citizens from owning nukes. Do you support that too?
    that's just stupid. Nukes are not arms but ordnance and since you believe the the government should be able to impose all sorts of limitations, its a dishonest argument



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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    That is my general principal, I don't have a firm number of acceptable deaths per minute, nor the technical knowledge to specify types of guns.
    you would agree with me that police are not issued weapons for offensive purposes but only self defense? so why not say citizens can have the same self defensive weapons civilian police departments are issued for purely self defensive purposes?



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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's just stupid. Nukes are not arms but ordnance and since you believe the the government should be able to impose all sorts of limitations, its a dishonest argument
    Yet there are tons of Libertarians who make that exact argument. Nice try to squirm your way out of an honest question though.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry, you cant deal with truth...

    all the 10 amendments are declaratory restrictive to the federal government...they give the government no powers at all!
    The truth is that your opinion is irrelevant next to the actual Constitution. can you deal with that?
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    lets see ...the preamble to the constitution is part of the constitution , but the preamble to the bill of rights is not part of the constitution???...........please, you can do better than that.
    Yes I can do better. lets make a wager Herr Barkmann. If you can offer proof that the preamble to the Bill of Rights was ratified by the proper number of states and is an official part of the Constitution then I will leave here and never return in any form. If you fail to do so then you leave and never return.

    Now you cannot get any better than that.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    nope-it was not intended to be a general grant of power
    The US Supreme Court says otherwise. So you have your right to an opinion but as it has no force of law and the actual force of law says the opposite - that is all that counts in the real world USA of 2014.

    This will help you on that issue:

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/anncon/ht...ag29_user.html
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