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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    I would rather have 2 taser's and some reload's in that situation as my first concern would be not inadvertently shooting/killing a loved one.

    Now if I were alone, maybe it would be different (depending on the weapons carried by the intruder's)...though I would still want a taser or two first.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your statement is false. Article I Section 8 of the Constitution - paragraphs 1, 3, 16 and 18 all provide ample authorization for Congress to exercise authority over regulation of weapons.
    article 1 Section. 8.

    1.....The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1: Records of the Federal Convention

    constitutional convention NOTES on the clause----------not a word about firearms mentioned!


    3.....To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;


    Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 (Commerce): Records of the Federal Convention

    constitutional convention NOTES on the clause----------not a word about firearms mentioned!


    16......To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

    Article 1, Section 8, Clause 16: Records of the Federal Convention


    Mr Madison observed that "arming" as explained did not did not extend to furnishing arms; nor the term "disciplining" to penalties & Courts martial for enforcing them.

    Mr. King added, to his former explanation that arming meant not only to provide for uniformity of arms, but included authority to regulate the modes of furnishing, either by the militia themselves, the State Governments, or the National Treasury: that laws for disciplining, must involve penalties and every thing necessary for enforcing penalties.

    To establish an uniformity of arms, exercise & organization for the Militia, and to provide for the Government of them when called into the service of the U. States"


    18........To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

    foregoing powers are the powers listed above in article 1 section 8 clauses 1 to 17

    this means congress can make federal laws, which deal with the powers above.

    example.....congress has the power " To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States:

    however congress needs to create a federal law, to determine what the punishment for counterfeiting is going to be.......clause 18 gives them that power of federal law creation.

    these powers were ratified by the states in June 1788 making them binding......the bill of rights was passed in DEC 1791, making them binding, and placing a restriction on the federal government, ...stating "congress will make no law" which infringes on the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    these powers were ratified by the states in June 1787 making them binding......the bill of rights was passed in DEC 1791, making them binding, and placing a restriction on the federal government, ...stating "congress will make no law" which infringes on the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
    The Bill of Rights does not say that. You made it up.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The Bill of Rights does not say that. You made it up.

    The Preamble to The Bill of Rights

    Congress of the United States
    begun and held at the City of New-York, on
    Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

    THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its[federal] powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.


    Article I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    this BOLD sentence applies to every clause not just the 1st........because a restriction has been placed squarely on congress.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    The Preamble to The Bill of Rights....
    is not part of the Constitution and you darn well know it from our previous conversations in which you were unable to present a single shred of evidence that it was ratified.

    Clue for you Herr Barkmann: the First Amendment and the Second Amendment are two different things with two very different wordings and cover two (or more) very different subjects. Do NOT confuse one with the other. Do NOT attempt to substitute the language contained in one for the other.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It is an absurb scenario that happens so rarely that you probably have a better chance of getting hit by lightning. That said...to play along with your little skewed game. Are you aware that a large number of people killed in these types of situations are killed with their own guns?

    So a different scenario that probably is more likely to occur than yours would be:
    It's late at night in your house, you and your family are asleep, when armed men break in. You don't know if they're there to rob you, rape you, murder you, or all of the above. At that point would you wish you had a gun?
    At that point, I wouldn't wish I had a gun, I would have a gun.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    is not part of the Constitution and you darn well know it from our previous conversations in which you were unable to present a single shred of evidence that it was ratified.
    all of the clauses in the bill of rights are declaratory and restrictive clauses placed right on top of congress head!

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    all of the clauses in the bill of rights are declaratory and restrictive clauses placed right on top of congress head!

    Your personal opinion is irrelevant next to the actual language of the Constitution. It means nothing and has no force of law.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your personal opinion is irrelevant next to the actual language of the Constitution. It means nothing and has no force of law.
    sorry not my opinion...James Madison's fact

    Madison ---The Conventions of a number of the States having, at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstructions or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added; and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government will best insure the beneficent ends of its institutions." Here is the most satisfactory and authentic proof that the several amendments proposed were to be considered as either declaratory or restrictive, and, whether the one or the other as corresponding with the desire expressed by a number of the States, and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government.



    "We, the delegates of the people of Virginia, duly elected in pursuance of a recommendation from the General Assembly and now met in Convention, having fully and freely investigated and discussed the proceedings of the Federal Convention, and being prepared, as well as the most mature deliberation hath enabled us, to decide thereon--DO, in the name and in behalf of the people of Virginia declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the people of the United States, may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression; and that every power not granted thereby remains with them, and at their will. That, therefore, no right of any denomination can be cancelled, abridged, restrained, or modified, by the Congress, by the Senate or House of Representatives, acting in any capacity, by the President, or any department or officer of the United States, except in those instances in which power is given by the Constitution for those purposes; and that, among other essential rights, the liberty of conscience and of the press cannot be cancelled, abridged, restrained, or modified, by any authority of the United States."

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry not my opinion...James Madison's fact

    Madison ---The Conventions of a number of the States having, at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstructions or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added; and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government will best insure the beneficent ends of its institutions." Here is the most satisfactory and authentic proof that the several amendments proposed were to be considered as either declaratory or restrictive, and, whether the one or the other as corresponding with the desire expressed by a number of the States, and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government.
    James Madisons opinion is also irrelevant as it also has no force of law.

    You lied about what the Second Amendment says. Your argument is without truth or honor.
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