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  • I am anti-gun, and I would want a gun.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so why don't you tell us what YOU think it says

    I am going by all the documents generated at the same time.

    and given that there IS NOTHING in the constitution that discusses the federal government having ANY POWER to regulate arms, what were the founders thinking?

    find me some constitutional language that PROPERLY allows the federal government to deprive citizens of the standard issue military rifle
    Your statement is false. Article I Section 8 of the Constitution - paragraphs 1, 3, 16 and 18 all provide ample authorization for Congress to exercise authority over regulation of weapons.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your statement is false. Article I Section 8 of the Constitution - paragraphs 1, 3, 16 and 18 all provide ample authorization for Congress to exercise authority over regulation of weapons.
    that is dishonest. there is nothing in that that mentions firearms owned by private citizens

    I want you to spell out those sections and explain where firearms regulation is mentioned


    How the commerce power has been transformed is a long story. But in essence, Congress now claims the power to regulate any matter that affects the national economy. Such a reading of the Commerce Clause swallows up the Framers’ careful enumeration of powers, making the federal government omnipotent.



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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so why don't you tell us what YOU think it says
    I don't have to tell you what I think it says, I can read the specific words contained within it.

    I am going by all the documents generated at the same time.
    None of which are enshrined in the founding documents of the United States, nor having any power in law. You're just trying to get it to say what you want it to say when the actual words don't support your desires.

    Try again.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I don't have to tell you what I think it says, I can read the specific words contained within it.



    None of which are enshrined in the founding documents of the United States, nor having any power in law. You're just trying to get it to say what you want it to say when the actual words don't support your desires.

    Try again.
    I want you to tell us what sort of weapons were intended to be protected


    so tell us rather than playing evasive games



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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Two can play this game.

    What say you to this similarly unlikely and absurd situation:

    Thieves break in to steal your TV, and you go downstairs to check it out. As is almost always the case, the thieves only want your stuff and to leave. They threaten you to go away, and they start to make good their escape.

    Suddenly you dive for your gun cabinet near your TV, throw it open, and one of the thieves, upon realising his life is in mortal danger because some moron intends to shoot him, hits you over the head with his crowbar.

    At what point do you wish you had not had any guns in the house?
    You don't shoot people who are trying to escape and pose no threat to you, but I see no reason anyone should rely on the goodness of theives or leave it up to them as to whether or not they are going to harm or kill you.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I want you to tell us what sort of weapons were intended to be protected

    so tell us rather than playing evasive games
    It doesn't specify, mostly because at the time, the people were the military, there was no absurd dick waving contest going on. It also doesn't restrict private citizens from owning nukes. Do you support that too?
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what is the limit on the number of people you could kill that you would allow someone to buy in terms of a gun within a few minutes.
    That is my general principal, I don't have a firm number of acceptable deaths per minute, nor the technical knowledge to specify types of guns.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is dishonest. there is nothing in that that mentions firearms owned by private citizens

    I want you to spell out those sections and explain where firearms regulation is mentioned


    How the commerce power has been transformed is a long story. But in essence, Congress now claims the power to regulate any matter that affects the national economy. Such a reading of the Commerce Clause swallows up the Framers’ careful enumeration of powers, making the federal government omnipotent.
    It is totally honest. It DOES NOT HAVE TO MENTION FIREARMS. The powers authorize Congress and lots of things can be included in taking those actions - firearms just one of them. But, your own argument is incorrect as paragraphs specificly covers arms.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I want you to tell us what sort of weapons were intended to be protected


    so tell us rather than playing evasive games
    No specific weapons are protected - just the right to keep and bear arms.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    It is an absurb scenario that happens so rarely that you probably have a better chance of getting hit by lightning. That said...to play along with your little skewed game. Are you aware that a large number of people killed in these types of situations are killed with their own guns?

    So a different scenario that probably is more likely to occur than yours would be:
    It's late at night in your house, you and your family are asleep, when armed men break in. You don't know if they're there to rob you, rape you, murder you, or all of the above. At that point would you wish you had a gun?
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