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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what is hilarious is this claim he made yesterday when he now wants to ban all sorts of things



    and this
    Exactly where have I ever said I want to ban all sorts of guns? That's just you making up crap again. That said, there are guns that the civilian community simply doesn't need. Besides, where does one draw the line? Is the NRA going to come out next year saying it's our 2A rights to have fully-auto assault rifles? Or how about machine guns? Or automatic shotguns? Or grenade launchers? Or - in the not-too-distant future - firearms on drones? Where does one draw the line? And how many people have to die before we agree on where that line must be drawn? "It's my 18 y.o. son's 2A RIGHT to bring that automatic shotgun to school!"
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Exactly where have I ever said I want to ban all sorts of guns? That's just you making up crap again. That said, there are guns that the civilian community simply doesn't need. Besides, where does one draw the line? Is the NRA going to come out next year saying it's our 2A rights to have fully-auto assault rifles? Or how about machine guns? Or automatic shotguns? Or grenade launchers? Or - in the not-too-distant future - firearms on drones? Where does one draw the line? And how many people have to die before we agree on where that line must be drawn? "It's my 18 y.o. son's 2A RIGHT to bring that automatic shotgun to school!"
    1) someone who knows so little about guns has no business telling anyone but himself what he needs

    what sort of weapons do you think were envisioned as being protected by the 2A

    why are you so afraid of stuff that CIVILIAN PDs have.

    You have yet to define what a sniper rifle is

    and the rest of your post is the loony nonsense we see from hard core gun banners

    WHY DON'T YOU TELL US WHAT THE CIVILIAN COMMUNITY NEEDS



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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Does it fire the same round as an M-16?



    I didn't say that they would be used for home invasion or robbery, did I? I referred to assassination, didn't I? Outside of war and sporting competitions, assassination is pretty much all they're good for. Focus, guy.



    As you know very well, I never said the cell phone was a weapon - that's you twisting words (again). I said it was something necessary for home defense - and I said that because while a homes phone lines can be cut, that's not so easy for cell phones.

    You say that no one needs a cell phone. Dude, the ability to communicate is crucial in any crisis situation, whether at home or in business or on the street or in war. The better one's ability to communicate, the better his or her odds is in a crisis situation. What part that you don't get, I really don't understand. Give me a choice between a gun and a working cell phone, I'll pick the cell phone any day - because I can easily block the perp trying to force his way into my room, and the police are only minutes away. On the other hand, if I have a gun and no working cell phone, it becomes a gunfight that I may win but that I also might lose...and I'd have no hope of backup, rescue, or EMS.

    Tactically speaking, in the modern world the ability to effectively communicate trumps having a gun on hand any day of the week.
    (1) Look it up. Try Googling AR 15 calibers.

    (2) I missed the part about the assassination. So, could you direct me to a case where a sniper rifle was used in an assassination? Civilian, of course. Or are you solving a problem we don't have?
    (2a) Now the sniper rifle has another use. Do you advocate the banning of sporting weapons? Or just sniper rifles used in non existent assassination attempts?

    (3) You did infer that the phone served as a defense item. Actually I agree with you. I have one. I do not consider it necessary, but I do not advocate banning them. I would call the authorities. But in 5 minutes, a fit male can run a mile. In the meantime, you rely on your barricade, I on my weapon. Again, whatever method works best for you. I might barricade myself in a secure area if given the chance, but I will take a weapon with me.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Many do, but I have one also that fires .22LR. They can be had in just about every rifle and many pistol calibers. Oh, and the last few real attempts to kill a sitting president were done with cheap junk ass guns. Hinkly and Oswald. I forgot what Squeeky Fromme used to try to shoot Ford
    Again, where do we draw the line?
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    (1) Look it up. Try Googling AR 15 calibers.
    I knew that it did. The point is, claiming an AR-15 isn't an assault rifle when it can fire the same round as an assault rifle...and don't say "but it's not an automatic" line because an assault rifle doesn't have to be automatic to be an assault rifle.

    (2) I missed the part about the assassination. So, could you direct me to a case where a sniper rifle was used in an assassination? Civilian, of course. Or are you solving a problem we don't have?
    Do we have to wait until it happens? That would be like saying, "there's no instances of civilians using grenades to kill each other, so why ban them?"

    (2a) Now the sniper rifle has another use. Do you advocate the banning of sporting weapons? Or just sniper rifles used in non existent assassination attempts?
    Y'know, I really wouldn't mind if we'd know that they could only be used in sporting events...but there's no practical way to limit it to one use and not the other. And as they become more available, it's only a matter of time before they are used for assassination.

    (3) You did infer that the phone served as a defense item. Actually I agree with you. I have one. I do not consider it necessary, but I do not advocate banning them. I would call the authorities. But in 5 minutes, a fit male can run a mile. In the meantime, you rely on your barricade, I on my weapon. Again, whatever method works best for you. I might barricade myself in a secure area if given the chance, but I will take a weapon with me.
    If you have a weapon, good for you. Me, I'm middle-aged with a bum right leg - I'm not running anywhere. But I'm strong enough to do what I need to do to quickly and effectively barricade my wife and myself and wait for help. And the older one gets, the more one recognizes the need to be able to quickly communicate.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Again, where do we draw the line?
    lets see

    lets look at the language of the 2A and its intent

    citizens should have the same weapons that militia men should have

    that seems to mean an assault rifle etc

    How about making sure any citizen over the age of 18 with a clean record can own anything civilian police departments use for self defense in a civilian environment



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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Again, where do we draw the line?
    Glen-I want you to define what a SNIPER RIFLE IS



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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I knew that it did. The point is, claiming an AR-15 isn't an assault rifle when it can fire the same round as an assault rifle...and don't say "but it's not an automatic" line because an assault rifle doesn't have to be automatic to be an assault rifle.

    Do we have to wait until it happens? That would be like saying, "there's no instances of civilians using grenades to kill each other, so why ban them?"

    Y'know, I really wouldn't mind if we'd know that they could only be used in sporting events...but there's no practical way to limit it to one use and not the other. And as they become more available, it's only a matter of time before they are used for assassination.

    If you have a weapon, good for you. Me, I'm middle-aged with a bum right leg - I'm not running anywhere. But I'm strong enough to do what I need to do to quickly and effectively barricade my wife and myself and wait for help. And the older one gets, the more one recognizes the need to be able to quickly communicate.
    Seriously, Glen, you are making less sense the farther you go. This will be my last attempt at education.

    (1) Caliber has nothing to do with whether or not a weapon is termed a rifle or a weapon. Whether or not it will fire multiple rounds with one pull of the trigger does. Actually, assault rifles are selective fire. Non selective automatics are termed machine guns. AR 15s are assault weapons. Please look it up.

    (2) You really believe that all sniper rifles should be banned based on the off chance that someone will use one in an assassination? That makes no sense, and certainly is at odds with your claim that you do not want to stop law abiding citizens from owning firearms.
    Makes me wonder just which firearms you would allow. Could you enlighten me?

    (3) There is no practical way to stop baseball bats, bowling balls, tennis racquets from being used in crimes. Should these to be banned?

    (4) I'm 76, I have a weapon(s). I do recognize the need to communicate.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    lets see

    lets look at the language of the 2A and its intent

    citizens should have the same weapons that militia men should have

    that seems to mean an assault rifle etc

    How about making sure any citizen over the age of 18 with a clean record can own anything civilian police departments use for self defense in a civilian environment
    Nowhere in the actual text of the 2nd Amendment does it say any of that. Let's at least be honest and go by what it actually says, not by what you wish it said.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Nowhere in the actual text of the 2nd Amendment does it say any of that. Let's at least be honest and go by what it actually says, not by what you wish it said.
    so why don't you tell us what YOU think it says

    I am going by all the documents generated at the same time.

    and given that there IS NOTHING in the constitution that discusses the federal government having ANY POWER to regulate arms, what were the founders thinking?

    find me some constitutional language that PROPERLY allows the federal government to deprive citizens of the standard issue military rifle

    Debate on gun control should ask whether Congress has power to regulate - CSMonitor.com

    How the commerce power has been transformed is a long story. But in essence, Congress now claims the power to regulate any matter that affects the national economy. Such a reading of the Commerce Clause swallows up the Framers’ careful enumeration of powers, making the federal government omnipotent.



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