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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Or just get some bleach and ammonia
    Yep, lots of 24/7 arms dealers with no background checks at all.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    the scenario:

    It's late at night, you hear someone rummaging around downstairs. Frightened, you scramble to get your gun out of the night stand. You load up the weapon and go to see what's up. You don't know if the burglar is there to just take stuff, kill you, rape you, or all of the above. You creep downstairs to confront the burglar, now in your kitchen. You see their shadow, and level your weapon. The light suddenly flicks on, momentarily blinding you. Reflexively, you pull the trigger. The intruder flinches and cries out, The cry turns into words, "Dad! It's me!"

    Do you want a gun in this scenario?
    Home defense basics include first checking on home occupants, positive target recognition and not firing in panic at "shadows". Nobody gets near, much less into, into my home without first alerting one or both dogs, absent that "first alert" the intruder assumption is not made. Yes, I'll keep my gun in this scenario.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    I don't think anybody is really as "anti gun" as you think they are.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    By assault rifle, which fire full automatic, I assume you mean assault weapon, which is a term used to describe skeery looking sporting weapons which do not fire full automatic. One example is the Ruger 10/22, the rifle often used to teach kids gun safety and marksmanship. Since it can be made to look skeery with a few bolt on parts, it is an assault weapon. The civilian version of sniper rifles costs in the $5000 up range, weigh in the 35 to 50 lb range, and ammo is about $5/round. Neither of these is a desirable weapon for a criminal, so you must have some other reason for strongly disliking them. In addition, neither is exactly suitable for concealed carry. Which is also a legitimate and legal use.

    I don't buy the argument that a 12 gauge pump is the best home defense weapon, but if that is your choice, go for it. A 12 gauge is better than no weapon at all.

    Your other point, no need, no good use, is just not valid, although it is often a talking point among gun banners. The same could be said of your preferred weapon, the cell phone.
    No, I'm not referring to automatic weapons. I'm referring to weapons like the AR-15 that fires a .223 - which bullet is not bigger in circumference than a .22 bullet...but the muzzle velocity is much higher, and so does much more damage. There's no NEED for such a weapon in the civilian world. Same thing for modern sniper rifles - there's no NEED for them. There is no real need for a good, law-abiding citizen to have either one. Neither one is really the most suitable for home defense - that is, unless you see the perps a half-klick away and you somehow already know that they ARE going to invade your home. Otherwise, there's no real need for them...

    ...but sniper rifles are great if you're a bad guy and you want to off some victim from a half mile away.

    As far as the .12 gauge goes, you and I will have to agree to disagree. Sure, if you and all your family is well-trained using a rifle or handguns, and if they don't have a problem aiming properly in very high-stress situations, sure, go for it. But I would have to think not just for myself and my weapons training, but more importantly for my wife who might have to use it, and she's had very little weapons training. Your reply might be, "well, get her more training!" My reply to that would be that we've got better, more important things to spend our time and money on. Not everybody builds their lives around firearms or has any desire to do so.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    No, I'm not referring to automatic weapons. I'm referring to weapons like the AR-15 that fires a .223 - which bullet is not bigger in circumference than a .22 bullet...but the muzzle velocity is much higher, and so does much more damage. There's no NEED for such a weapon in the civilian world. Same thing for modern sniper rifles - there's no NEED for them. There is no real need for a good, law-abiding citizen to have either one. Neither one is really the most suitable for home defense - that is, unless you see the perps a half-klick away and you somehow already know that they ARE going to invade your home. Otherwise, there's no real need for them...

    ...but sniper rifles are great if you're a bad guy and you want to off some victim from a half mile away.

    As far as the .12 gauge goes, you and I will have to agree to disagree. Sure, if you and all your family is well-trained using a rifle or handguns, and if they don't have a problem aiming properly in very high-stress situations, sure, go for it. But I would have to think not just for myself and my weapons training, but more importantly for my wife who might have to use it, and she's had very little weapons training. Your reply might be, "well, get her more training!" My reply to that would be that we've got better, more important things to spend our time and money on. Not everybody builds their lives around firearms or has any desire to do so.
    Your arguments get less valid the more you repeat them. It was you who misused the term assault rifle. FWIW, the AR 15 style comes in a wide variety of calibers.

    Likewise your dislike for the sniper rifle. As far as I know, no one has ever invaded a home or held up a convenience store with a $5000, 50 pound, sniper rifle, especially from a half mile away. Banning them would result in zero reduction in crime.

    You do seem to be hung up on need. But that is not a valid argument, either legally of from a pure enjoyment perspective. I have lots of things I don't need. And the 2nd makes no mention of need. I mentioned your cell phone, since you consider it a weapon. No one needs a cell phone. I have no desire to ban them based on need.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    I don't think anybody is really as "anti gun" as you think they are.
    what do you define as anti gun?



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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    No, I'm not referring to automatic weapons. I'm referring to weapons like the AR-15 that fires a .223 - which bullet is not bigger in circumference than a .22 bullet...but the muzzle velocity is much higher, and so does much more damage. There's no NEED for such a weapon in the civilian world. Same thing for modern sniper rifles - there's no NEED for them. There is no real need for a good, law-abiding citizen to have either one. Neither one is really the most suitable for home defense - that is, unless you see the perps a half-klick away and you somehow already know that they ARE going to invade your home. Otherwise, there's no real need for them...

    ...but sniper rifles are great if you're a bad guy and you want to off some victim from a half mile away.

    As far as the .12 gauge goes, you and I will have to agree to disagree. Sure, if you and all your family is well-trained using a rifle or handguns, and if they don't have a problem aiming properly in very high-stress situations, sure, go for it. But I would have to think not just for myself and my weapons training, but more importantly for my wife who might have to use it, and she's had very little weapons training. Your reply might be, "well, get her more training!" My reply to that would be that we've got better, more important things to spend our time and money on. Not everybody builds their lives around firearms or has any desire to do so.
    so what sort of bullet should we hunt elk with

    you are proving your are radically anti gun

    how do you ban a 223 without banning ANY centerfire hunting cartridges.


    this is one of the most idiotic arguments I have ever seen

    You are in NO POSITION to tell ANYONE what they need given you have demonstrated a complete lack of understanding about firearm calibers.

    what is a sniper rifle Glen?



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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Your arguments get less valid the more you repeat them. It was you who misused the term assault rifle. FWIW, the AR 15 style comes in a wide variety of calibers.

    Likewise your dislike for the sniper rifle. As far as I know, no one has ever invaded a home or held up a convenience store with a $5000, 50 pound, sniper rifle, especially from a half mile away. Banning them would result in zero reduction in crime.

    You do seem to be hung up on need. But that is not a valid argument, either legally of from a pure enjoyment perspective. I have lots of things I don't need. And the 2nd makes no mention of need. I mentioned your cell phone, since you consider it a weapon. No one needs a cell phone. I have no desire to ban them based on need.
    what is hilarious is this claim he made yesterday when he now wants to ban all sorts of things

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Who said I oppose other citizens owning guns? I only oppose those having guns who shouldn't have them in the first place.
    and this


    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Ah. Since I've stated time and time again that I have zero problem with law-abiding citizens being able to own guns, that's silly?



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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Your arguments get less valid the more you repeat them. It was you who misused the term assault rifle. FWIW, the AR 15 style comes in a wide variety of calibers.
    Does it fire the same round as an M-16?

    Likewise your dislike for the sniper rifle. As far as I know, no one has ever invaded a home or held up a convenience store with a $5000, 50 pound, sniper rifle, especially from a half mile away. Banning them would result in zero reduction in crime.
    I didn't say that they would be used for home invasion or robbery, did I? I referred to assassination, didn't I? Outside of war and sporting competitions, assassination is pretty much all they're good for. Focus, guy.

    You do seem to be hung up on need. But that is not a valid argument, either legally of from a pure enjoyment perspective. I have lots of things I don't need. And the 2nd makes no mention of need. I mentioned your cell phone, since you consider it a weapon. No one needs a cell phone. I have no desire to ban them based on need.
    As you know very well, I never said the cell phone was a weapon - that's you twisting words (again). I said it was something necessary for home defense - and I said that because while a homes phone lines can be cut, that's not so easy for cell phones.

    You say that no one needs a cell phone. Dude, the ability to communicate is crucial in any crisis situation, whether at home or in business or on the street or in war. The better one's ability to communicate, the better his or her odds is in a crisis situation. What part that you don't get, I really don't understand. Give me a choice between a gun and a working cell phone, I'll pick the cell phone any day - because I can easily block the perp trying to force his way into my room, and the police are only minutes away. On the other hand, if I have a gun and no working cell phone, it becomes a gunfight that I may win but that I also might lose...and I'd have no hope of backup, rescue, or EMS.

    Tactically speaking, in the modern world the ability to effectively communicate trumps having a gun on hand any day of the week.
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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Does it fire the same round as an M-16?


    Many do, but I have one also that fires .22LR. They can be had in just about every rifle and many pistol calibers. Oh, and the last few real attempts to kill a sitting president were done with cheap junk ass guns. Hinkly and Oswald. I forgot what Squeeky Fromme used to try to shoot Ford

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