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  • I am anti-gun, and I would want a gun.

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  • I am pro-gun, and I would want a gun.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Again, it is not either or.

    You can have someone call, while you use your best judgment to handle the problem. That way, if things go sideways....you have 911 on the way.

    Not either or. It rarely is.
    No reasonable person would argue it is either/or. In your Heimlich post, and in my situation, the first problem is immediate. After the immediate threat is removed, in most cases it's time to let the professionals take over. In most cases the first responder has neither the knowledge or equipment to proceed.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    [QUOTE=CRUE CAB;1063271901]So because someone "might" get caught, you would let them for sure become a victim.[/QUOTE

    Sorry? Can't quite make that post out old chap.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So because someone "might" get caught, you would let them for sure become a victim.
    Sorry? Can't quite make that post out old chap.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Sorry? Can't quite make that post out old chap.
    You said you would worry about family getting caught in the cross fire, so you would would not want to be armed. So rather than get caught in the cross fire, maybe, you would let them be a victim absolutely.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I don't prepare for getting hit by lightning either. I don't prepare for lots of unlikely events. You don't either. No one does. At least be honest.
    So you don't have insurance?










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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    No reasonable person would argue it is either/or. In your Heimlich post, and in my situation, the first problem is immediate. After the immediate threat is removed, in most cases it's time to let the professionals take over. In most cases the first responder has neither the knowledge or equipment to proceed.
    With the Heimlich situation, the point is if help is not on its way while you are attempting to clear, it is possible to end up with a revived but severely brain damaged individual.

    So it is a better idea to have someone call for help while you are acting. If you are alone and can just dial 911 and leave the line active, they will come.

    It is not a good idea to wait until you have exhausted your own personal abilities and then call for help. The lag time will kill you.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I'm curious about how anti-gunners would feel in real, dangerous situations. It's easy to decry the horrors of gun ownership in the safety of your armchair, but if the lives of you and your family were at risk would your convictions still hold?The scenario:It's late at night in your house, you and your family are asleep, when armed men break in. You don't know if they're there to rob you, rape you, murder you, or all of the above. At that point would you wish you had a gun?The way I see it, if you're anti-gun and would still want a gun to defend yourself in this scenario you're a hypocrite. This isn't an absurd scenario. It happens daily in just about every country in the world. So what say you?
    Well since the entire point of the post seems to simply attempt to call “anti-gunners” hypocrites, I’ll deal with the actual meat of it.Your premise is flawed. Wanting something, and feeling like you should legally be able to do it, are two different things.If I had a daughter rand someone raped her, I would want to punch that person repeatedly until their face resembled ground beef. Simply wanting to do that do doesn’t mean I think I should be legally allowed to be. Wanting to do that doesn’t mean I’m a hypocrite for being in favor of laws against battery.Not to mention the argument is equally flawed because one can be a “anti-gun” (based on how many use it) and still be perfectly fine with firearm ownership. Unless you’re qualifying “anti-gunners” SINGULARLY as people who want to ban ALL guns. Someone who wants a lot of regulation, background checks, ammo limitations, etc. could ABSOLUTELY still have a gun in their house in the situation you explained. You didn’t say “At that point would you wish you had an unregistered gun that isn’t locked in any way and that was purchased without a waiting period of a background check”.All those things I just said are stuff that people point to as a means of declaring someone as “anti-gun”, and yet none of those things I listed would have automatically prevented that person from potentially having a gun in the scenario you concocted. Your entire hypothetical is ridiculous given the actual intention behind it, as it in no way actually indicates what you’re trying to suggest it does.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    With the Heimlich situation, the point is if help is not on its way while you are attempting to clear, it is possible to end up with a revived but severely brain damaged individual.

    So it is a better idea to have someone call for help while you are acting. If you are alone and can just dial 911 and leave the line active, they will come.

    It is not a good idea to wait until you have exhausted your own personal abilities and then call for help. The lag time will kill you.
    I get your point, and I agree with you.

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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well since the entire point of the post seems to simply attempt to call “anti-gunners” hypocrites, I’ll deal with the actual meat of it.Your premise is flawed. Wanting something, and feeling like you should legally be able to do it, are two different things.If I had a daughter rand someone raped her, I would want to punch that person repeatedly until their face resembled ground beef. Simply wanting to do that do doesn’t mean I think I should be legally allowed to be. Wanting to do that doesn’t mean I’m a hypocrite for being in favor of laws against battery.Not to mention the argument is equally flawed because one can be a “anti-gun” (based on how many use it) and still be perfectly fine with firearm ownership. Unless you’re qualifying “anti-gunners” SINGULARLY as people who want to ban ALL guns. Someone who wants a lot of regulation, background checks, ammo limitations, etc. could ABSOLUTELY still have a gun in their house in the situation you explained. You didn’t say “At that point would you wish you had an unregistered gun that isn’t locked in any way and that was purchased without a waiting period of a background check”.All those things I just said are stuff that people point to as a means of declaring someone as “anti-gun”, and yet none of those things I listed would have automatically prevented that person from potentially having a gun in the scenario you concocted. Your entire hypothetical is ridiculous given the actual intention behind it, as it in no way actually indicates what you’re trying to suggest it does.
    I guess the real hypocrisy comes from assholes in office who have taxpayer armed guards who push laws that make it difficult, if not impossible, for poor people to have firearms to defend themselves or assholes like Cuomo who try to limit other citizens to 7 rounds in a weapon when we know damn well his guards are carrying 17 shot Glocks.

    other hypocrites are those who push for all sorts of red tape for people to buy a gun who are against voters having to show an ID as well.



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    Re: Would you want a gun in this situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    You said you would worry about family getting caught in the cross fire, so you would would not want to be armed. So rather than get caught in the cross fire, maybe, you would let them be a victim absolutely.
    No I would take other measures to ensure their safety like I have right now on my home. End of the day if a group of armed men enter your home your in trouble regardless of whether you are armed or not. Your already outnumbered, outgunned and you have to worry about your familys safety as well as your own. A gun will only take you so far as countless soldiers have learned over the years.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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