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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The bolded actually blew my mind just a little, and the fact that shrubnose said it makes it even more surprising, as he generally seems to be pretty logical thinking. Anyone who is in the position to hire and fire, wields a certain amount of power. The skin color doesn't matter, and the actual amount of power/ numbers of people one is responsible for, doesn't matter either. If you have enough influence to hire and fire, you have power, and if you use that power to discriminate based solely on race, then that is racist actions.
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    I have no idea how 10 definition so f a word can be posted and then people just invent thier own.

    Power/impact is no included in the definitions there for its meanignless to those words.
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Nope, you're wrong again.

    I'm a realist, as I have said poor, powerless people's racism has very little effect on those that it's directed it towards.

    A few men with rocks can't defeat powerful empires.
    Rhodesia: 1979. Minority Whites are in power and control. They discriminate against the Blacks? Racist or not?
    Zimbabwe 1989. Majority Blacks discriminate against Whites Racism or not?
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    It's either race or rape. Take your pick.
    Or SSM.
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Or SSM.
    Ah yes. I forgot that one.

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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I'm a realist, as I have said poor, powerless people's racism has very little effect on those that it's directed it towards.
    and there you have it
    its still 100% factually racism

    effect/power/impact doesnt change anything in the OP question, it has ZERO impact to its definition.
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Can you point out anything that you said that has any impact to the factual definition of racist and racism and "changes it"
    "2: racial prejudice or discrimination" I'm talking about discrimination. Actual discrimination, instead of hurt feelings. As I said before about your OP, there would be very few situations where a business would simply not hire and white employees, and even if there were a few, it wouldn't make an overall impact. There are plenty of alternatives. But parts of our society really do take that stance en masse with other races. Discrimination doesn't happen in any meaningful way on a personal level. It happens on a societal level.

    Haven't you seen enough stupid arguments over "definitions of marriage" not to hold dictionary definitions as sacrosanct?
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    1.)"2: racial prejudice or discrimination" I'm talking about discrimination. Actual discrimination, instead of hurt feelings.
    2.) As I said before about your OP, there would be very few situations where a business would simply not hire and white employees, and even if there were a few, it wouldn't make an overall impact. There are plenty of alternatives.
    3.) But parts of our society really do take that stance en masse with other races. Discrimination doesn't happen in any meaningful way on a personal level. It happens on a societal level.
    4.) Haven't you seen enough stupid arguments over "definitions of marriage" not to hold dictionary definitions as sacrosanct?
    1.) that doesn't change anythign, discrimaintion again does excist or not excist based on power/impact.
    discrimination has a definition too.

    dis·crim·i·na·tion noun \dis-ˌkri-mə-ˈnā-shən\
    : the practice of unfairly treating a person or group of people differently from other people or groups of people
    : the ability to recognize the difference between things that are of good quality and those that are not
    : the ability to understand that one thing is different from another thing

    nothing here that says it MUST be on some high level in fact it says it can be just an individual and again this has no impact to the words racism or racist.

    2.) which is 100% meanignless to the definition of the words racist/racism
    3.) by definition this is factually false
    4.) yes I have seen people try to argue against the dictionary and they are always wrong including same sex marriage since it supports SSM.

    Like i said, I understand there could be a debate about power and impact but those debates and separate topics do nothing, ZERO, ZILCH to impact the definition of racism/racist.

    You havent even provided one logical and factual reason why 10 definitions are wrong and I should go with your made up opinion that cant be supported.

    I agree with you about different impacts but that's ALL it is, "different impacts", its still 100% factual racist and racism. This fact wont change.

    Tell me why its factually NOT racism?
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    The scenario:

    Where: USA
    When: today 5/12/2014

    I'm a black guy that owns a contracting Company. Its smaller, about 20 employees.

    Lets call it Agent J's Home Improvements and Landscaping.

    I dont hire any white people, I think they arent trust worthy simply because they are white so I deny everyone that applies. For me White = dishonest.


    Am I a racist, is this racism?

    For reference here the definition of racism:

    Racism:
    rac·istnoun or adjective
    1: a belief that
    race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
    2: racial prejudice or discrimination


    heres links to 9 more
    racism noun - definition in the American English Dictionary - Cambridge Dictionaries Online
    racism - definition of racism by Macmillan Dictionary
    Racism | Define Racism at Dictionary.com
    racism: definition of racism in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)
    American Heritage Dictionary Entry: racism
    racism - definition of racism by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
    Collins English Dictionary | Always Free Online
    Heinle's Newbury House Dictionary of American English
    https://www.google.com/search?num=30...w=1600&bih=815


    No it is not racism because white males under 40 are not a protected class. Now if you include white females and whites over 40 then yes. Also I think the behavior is racist but it is legal assuming the age and gender requirements put forth.

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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    1.)No it is not racism because white males under 40 are not a protected class.
    2.) Now if you include white females and whites over 40 then yes.
    3.) Also I think the behavior is racist but it is legal assuming the age and gender requirements put forth.
    1.) 100% false
    in america they most certainly are, WE ALL ARE lets review WHO is protected

    one can not illegal discriminate based on gender/sex, (race,color, national origin), religion, age or disability
    sexual orientation is now also protected in many areas

    everything in red applies to a white male of 39

    2.) already proven factually false
    3.) yes the behavior is racist
    4.) wrong has already proven its factually illegal

    glad I could help clear up the confusion
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) 100% false
    in america they most certainly are, WE ALL ARE lets review WHO is protected

    one can not illegal discriminate based on gender/sex, (race,color, national origin), religion, age or disability
    sexual orientation is now also protected in many areas

    everything in red applies to a white male of 39

    2.) already proven factually false
    3.) yes the behavior is racist
    4.) wrong has already proven its factually illegal

    glad I could help clear up the confusion
    I understand what you are saying, but let's talk real world. What recourses does a white male have under 40. How many lawsuits do you see? Like I said legal yes moral no. Oh and let's not even get started on "at Will employment."

    Sorry I may have read more into your question

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