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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Oh Jeez...another day...another half dozen new race-based threads on debatepolitics.com.

    Do you people think of anything else?

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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    1.)Of course it's "racism"
    2.) although current social standards do allow for certain minority discretion in Western Cultures_
    3.)But I fully support your right to hire employees according to whatever standards you believe to be best for business_
    4.)And IMO; no government has the right to force a business owner to hire or cater to people they otherwise would not_
    5.)Of course this only works when we're all on the same page and there's no acceptions, exclusions or double standards_
    1.) correct
    2.) not in this western society
    3.) we all have this right already, i can do so as long as it doesnt violate the rights of others or break the law. I have NO RIGHT to violate the rights of others or break the law.
    4.) good thing government doesnt do this
    5.) this already exists in most places, gays will have national equal rights soon
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Nope, you're wrong again.

    I'm a realist, as I have said poor, powerless people's racism has very little effect on those that it's directed it towards.

    A few men with rocks can't defeat powerful empires.
    Haha, so god damn racist. You just said that in an absolutely identical scenario, it would be racist if he was white, but not if he wasn't.

    To you being black means being poor and powerless, even if you own your own business, no exceptions.
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Racism is not one person's opinion. Racism is a societal preference. A person's action is a symptom of societal prejudice. Can a minority person hold racist views? Of course. But their views are relatively harmless. Society will never act to enforce their views. For every comedian at the Apollo who makes fun of "whitey", white people aren't denied jobs based on their race. The OP's scenario is extremely unlikely and even if it happened once, it would never be widespread enough to make a significant impact on the prosperity of white people as a whole. Nobody decides they don't want to rent an apartment to a white family. Non-white families face that kind of discrimination frequently.

    Donald Sterling saying that he doesn't want black people at his games... it doesn't really matter. Except that black people have been banned from public events, and are sometimes discouraged from going to them now. White people aren't. If a black owner had said the exact same thing about white people, it would have held no power. It could not realistically come to pass. That's what racism and bigotry and prejudice really are. Not one person shooting off their mouth. But the societal reinforcement behind it.
    That's racism with teeth. That's the only kind that matters.



    That's exactly what I'm talking about.

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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Haha, so god damn racist. You just said that in an absolutely identical scenario, it would be racist if he was white, but not if he wasn't.

    To you being black means being poor and powerless, even if you own your own business, no exceptions.
    The bolded actually blew my mind just a little, and the fact that shrubnose said it makes it even more surprising, as he generally seems to be pretty logical thinking. Anyone who is in the position to hire and fire, wields a certain amount of power. The skin color doesn't matter, and the actual amount of power/ numbers of people one is responsible for, doesn't matter either. If you have enough influence to hire and fire, you have power, and if you use that power to discriminate based solely on race, then that is racist actions.
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    10 definitions in this thread alone prove the bolded statements factually wrong.

    The rest is opinion and some I even personally agree with but its still only opinion and has zero impact on the definition of what racism is.
    The op is factually racist. Even if I was the only contracting company that practiced that way and there were 1 million others and unemployment was 0% it would still be factually racist and racism.

    Impact/power has zero effect on the words racist and racism definition.

    Just like if a 5'6" 150lb man with no formal ability or training to fight, who never lifted a weight in his life decided to threaten me and tell me in a room fool of people he is going to kill me. Its still a threat. The judge isnt going to say its relatively harmless, society doesnt take the little guy seriously, its not significant and he couldnt realistically kill you with his bare hands, so it doesnt matter and no so no laws were broken.
    I don't think you're right in the slightest. It is only because of the power behind expressions of racism to even care about them. They only exist because of societal divides. To reduce racism away from a societal problem to a personal one is, I would contend, part of the move to diminish criticism of racism and allow it to flourish. We can condemn Sterling or Bundy all we like, but that does nothing to combat the actual problem. Society still allows racial oppression to continue. Remember the satirical bits about how Bundy was in trouble for not using the appropriate code words? That's really the truth. There's all kinds of racial oppression going on, and none of it happens to whites. But use of code words is one way to disguise it, as is trying to turn what is really a societal problem into a personal one.
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Haha, so god damn racist. You just said that in an absolutely identical scenario, it would be racist if he was white, but not if he wasn't.

    To you being black means being poor and powerless, even if you own your own business, no exceptions.



    That's your opinion, which you are entitled to and I will ignore.

    IOW: Take a hike.

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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Nope, you're wrong again.

    I'm a realist, as I have said poor, powerless people's racism has very little effect on those that it's directed it towards.

    A few men with *rocks can't defeat *powerful empires.
    Is there a particular "*powerful empire" which you believe to be in need of "defeat" by some oppressed minority, Shrub???

    21st Century "racism" is about hate and it's only connection to "power" is how it is used to further an ideopolitical agenda_

    Hate can divide and destroy a nation__This is the danger of a Democrat Party that promotes racial division for political gain_

    And hate can bash a white man's skull in with a *rock just as effectively as it can choke the life out of a lynched black man_
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Oh Jeez...another day...another half dozen new race-based threads on debatepolitics.com.

    Do you people think of anything else?
    It's either race or rape. Take your pick.

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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    1.)I don't think you're right in the slightest.
    2.) It is only because of the power behind expressions of racism to even care about them.
    3.)They only exist because of societal divides.
    4.) To reduce racism away from a societal problem to a personal one is, I would contend, part of the move to diminish criticism of racism and allow it to flourish.
    5.) We can condemn Sterling or Bundy all we like, but that does nothing to combat the actual problem.
    6.) Society still allows racial oppression to continue.
    7.) Remember the satirical bits about how Bundy was in trouble for not using the appropriate code words? That's really the truth.
    8.) There's all kinds of racial oppression going on, and none of it happens to whites.
    9.) But use of code words is one way to disguise it, as is trying to turn what is really a societal problem into a personal one.
    1.) you dont have to think IM right because you arent arguing against me. You are arguing against 10 defintions that all prove those bolded parts factually wrong. This fact wont ever change unless you can prove why 10 different dictionaries are all wrong.
    2.) this is an opinion which im fine with you having but it doesnt negate the definition of racism
    3.) see #2
    4.) its not reducing it, it using the factual DEFINITION instead of a made up one, so this contention has no feet to stand on
    5.) I agree and this also doesnt change the definition of racism
    6.) see #5
    7.) yes meaningless to the definition of racism
    8.) this is factually false
    10.) another opinion that has no impact on the actual discussion.

    DO you know what the OP is about and whats its asking because it doesnt seem that you do. You seem to want to discuss a completely and factually different topic.

    Can you point out anything that you said that has any impact to the factual definition of racist and racism and "changes it"
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