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Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?


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1.)Racism is a social construct of specific factors and impacts.
2.)You pick and choose among those factors (and ignore impacts) to apologize for real racism and make false accusations of racism.
3.)At the heart of such confusion is a desire to deny real racism and perpetuate a system of oppression.
1.) 100% factually false
it has a definition and "impact" has ZERO barring on the definition of the word. More then 10 definitions in this thread prove you factually wrong and posting others wise simply shows the dishonety and ingonrance continue in your posts that is pure entertainment.
2.) per facts and definitions IMPACT is meaningless, facts win again
3.) if you say the OP scenario isnt racism you are the one factually denying somethign.
theres no false racism in this scenario and that fact as already been proven.

If you disagree the OP is racism/racist by all means please provide the factual evidence making it so.
If you cant you have two choices, simply admit your statments are wrong and the OP is in fact racism/racist or continue to have your posts on this matter completely laughed at due to thier failure.

Let us know if you can do so, we'll be waiting.
 
Racism is a social construct of specific factors and impacts. You pick and choose among those factors (and ignore impacts) to apologize for real racism and make false accusations of racism. At the heart of such confusion is a desire to deny real racism and perpetuate a system of oppression.
As a hypothetical, let us say that at some point now or in the future, society is partially or fully accepting of racism directed against white persons, due to racism perpetuated by white persons in the past (slavery, jim crow, etc).

Would that be racism? Because society accepts/supports the racism of the individuals?
 
The scenario:

Where: USA
When: today 5/12/2014

I'm a black guy that owns a contracting Company. Its smaller, about 20 employees.

Lets call it Agent J's Home Improvements and Landscaping.

I dont hire any white people, I think they arent trust worthy simply because they are white so I deny everyone that applies. For me White = dishonest.


Am I a racist, is this racism?

For reference here the definition of racism:

Racism:
rac·ist noun or adjective
1: a belief that
race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination


heres links to 9 more
racism noun - definition in the American English Dictionary - Cambridge Dictionaries Online
racism - definition of racism by Macmillan Dictionary
Racism | Define Racism at Dictionary.com
racism: definition of racism in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)
American Heritage Dictionary Entry: racism
racism - definition of racism by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Collins English Dictionary | Always Free Online
Heinle's Newbury House Dictionary of American English
https://www.google.com/search?num=3...XEsATUsYDIDA&ved=0CCgQvwUoAA&biw=1600&bih=815






Yes.

As is a decision say of my wife's sister to never employ Indians, my wife's sister being Chinese......or my daughter's saying they would never marry a pure Chinese....that is a race based decision, even though I agree with their reasoning......kids
 
Yes.

As is a decision say of my wife's sister to never employ Indians, my wife's sister being Chinese......or my daughter's saying they would never marry a pure Chinese....that is a race based decision, even though I agree with their reasoning......kids

Are Indian and Chinese races?
 
?????

India?

China?

I guess not if you only see races as black and white...

They are nationalities, but there are not races.

Asian is a race, which they both are.

If somebody will not hire a Chinese person but will hire a Japanese person, they are not racist against Asians, they just don't like the Chinese.
 
At its most basic, racism is the belief that a race(s) is/are superior to others.

Everything else is how (or if) people act on that. Has nothing to do with hate unless the individual chooses to feel that way. People can also, erroneously IMO, choose to do what they think are positive things for a race, thinking it is beneficial.
 
1.)Yes.

As is a decision say of my wife's sister to never employ Indians, my wife's sister being Chinese......or my daughter's saying they would never marry a pure Chinese....that is a race based decision, even though I agree with their reasoning......kids

1.) agreed

2.) uhm this one is tricky?
Indians and chinese are both asians or Mongoloid to be more specific, so thats not racist but prejudice

clarification please?
 
As a hypothetical, let us say that at some point now or in the future, society is partially or fully accepting of racism directed against white persons, due to racism perpetuated by white persons in the past (slavery, jim crow, etc).

Would that be racism? Because society accepts/supports the racism of the individuals?


Racism is when the majority power (not necessarily a number majority, as in South Africa) institutes or perpetuates systemic unjust discrimination. East Africa is somewhat racist against their Arab populations.

Asking if the majority power can be racist against itself seems more like a science fiction idea than reasonable sociological discussion (because it's not logical).
 
Racism is when the majority power institutes or perpetuates a system of unjust discrimination. East Africa is somewhat racist against their Arab populations.
In my scenario that would indeed be the case - only the majority power would be accepting racism against themselves, in this case.

:2razz:
 
In my scenario that would indeed be the case - only the majority power would be accepting racism against themselves, in this case.

:2razz:

See my edit addition :)
 
Racism is when the majority power (not necessarily a number majority, as in South Africa) institutes or perpetuates systemic unjust discrimination. East Africa is somewhat racist against their Arab populations.

weird NONE of this is in any fo the 10+ FULL definitions that have been posted here
I wonder why, oh i know because you are factually wrong and posting a lie that nobody takes seriously

majority number nor power is needed for racism, this fact wont change and your post fails again
 
See my edit addition :)
Ah, but they're only being racist against themselves indirectly - they're allowing a minority group or minority groups to be racist against them out of cultural remorse for past racism against the same groups.
 
Ah, but they're only being racist against themselves indirectly - they're allowing a minority group or minority groups to be racist against them out of cultural remorse for past racism against the same groups.

As I said, science fiction. It would make an interesting book, but it would take one hell of a setup to suspend disbelief.
 
As I said, science fiction. It would make an interesting book, but it would take one hell of a setup to suspend disbelief.
Yet, some argue that that very thing is happening on a limited scale, currently.

Personally I think it's all bull****. Racism is when an individual makes a decision based on race. Institutionalized racism is when a group/nation/culture does so as a whole, or at least those who control it do. Like Nazi Germany, for example.
 
Yet, some argue that that very thing is happening on a limited scale, currently.

Nutbags


Personally I think it's all bull****. Racism is when an individual makes a decision based on race. Institutionalized racism is when a group/nation/culture does so as a whole, or at least those who control it do. Like Nazi Germany, for example.


Do you think a black person talking crap about whites (in the US) is the same thing as generations of oppression and living with unjust discrimination every single day of ones life? No, it's not. And that's why racism, a social construct, must be defined sociologically.

Stop equating socially meaningless BS with real, inescapable, every day oppression for a lifetime.
 
Very possibly.

Do you think a black person talking crap about a white (in the US) is the same thing as generations of oppression and living with unjust discrimination every single day of ones life? No, it's not. And that's why racism, a social construct, should be defined socially.

Stop equating socially meaningless BS with real every day oppression.
Of course they're not the same thing.

The first is racism, the second is institutionalized racism.

Edit: Neither are acceptable.
 
The first is racism, the second is institutionalized racism.

The first is racial bigotry, an individual act. The second is racism, a social construct.
 
The first is racial bigotry, an individual act. The second is racism, a social construct.
I just use different terms, apparently.

I consider both examples racism, but the second is institutionalized racism, which is unquestionably worse (because it's a culture/nation rather than an individual).

Edit: I use bigotry as a more general term - it includes racism, but also sexism, ageism, homophobia, etc, etc.
 
I just use different terms, apparently.

I consider both examples racism, but the second is institutionalized racism, which is unquestionably worse (because it's a culture/nation rather than an individual).

Edit: I use bigotry as a more general term - it includes racism, but also sexism, ageism, homophobia, etc, etc.


The bottom line is, you are equating BS with real every day oppression for a lifetime. Don't pretend you use the term "institutionalized racism" when referring to white racial bigots. You don't. And so, the two things are conflated, which is exactly what racists want to see happen. You are playing into their game of false equivalence and thus a denial of real racism.

Note: I said 'racial bigotry'.
 
The bottom line is, you are equating BS with real every day oppression for a lifetime. Don't pretend you use the term "institutionalized racism" when referring to white racial bigots. You don't. And so, the two things are conflated, which is exactly what racists want to see happen. You are playing into their game of false equivalence and thus a denial of real racism.

Note: I said 'racial bigotry'.
I suppose I just assume everyone would easily realize that, depending on the context in which I use the word "racism", it means something different.

If I say "Person X is a racism mother****er", I mean "Person X is racist against group/race Y, and I dislike him/her/it because of it".

If I say "Many governments maintained racist policies and laws well into the 20th century, one example of which is the institutionalized racism in some southern states of the USA.", it obviously describes a far worse situation.

Neither is acceptable. But the former is at least tolerable, because it's just one person being an idiot. In some ways I think such individuals are necessary, as examples of what to avoid.
 
The bottom line is, you are equating BS with real every day oppression for a lifetime. Don't pretend you use the term "institutionalized racism" when referring to white racial bigots. You don't. And so, the two things are conflated, which is exactly what racists want to see happen. You are playing into their game of false equivalence and thus a denial of real racism.

Note: I said 'racial bigotry'.

and yet no definition supports this repeated lie
lets us know when you can back this posted lie up with one fact . . . . . one lol
 
I suppose I just assume everyone would easily realize that, depending on the context in which I use the word "racism", it means something different.

If I say "Person X is a racism mother****er", I mean "Person X is racist against group/race Y, and I dislike him/her/it because of it".

If I say "Many governments maintained racist policies and laws well into the 20th century, one example of which is the institutionalized racism in some southern states of the USA.", it obviously describes a far worse situation.

Neither is acceptable. But the former is at least tolerable, because it's just one person being an idiot. In some ways I think such individuals are necessary, as examples of what to avoid.

Bottom line: you don't call anyone an "institutional racist". Thereby, your distinction is BS and you are -in fact- equating socially meaningless BS with real life every day oppression.
 
Bottom line: you don't call anyone an "institutional racist". Thereby, your distinction is BS and you are -in fact- equating socially meaningless BS with real life every day oppression.

once again theres not one factual thing you can post to support this lie, not one. If you disagree do so now lol
 
Bottom line: you don't call anyone an "institutional racist". Thereby, your distinction is BS and you are -in fact- equating socially meaningless BS with real life every day oppression.
And individual CAN'T be an institutional racist.

They can only be a racist.

If they live in a society that supports racism (institutional racism), they are still racist, but have the protection of a culture that accepts/supports such activities and thoughts.
 
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