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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I'll quote who I want to quote, when I want to quote them until the 1st Amendment is repealed.

    Do you have a problem with that?

    If so, then **** off, I don't have time to waste on you or anyone else who supports censorship.

    You'll never shut me up.

    BTW, I'll continue to support your right to free speech at the same time that you're trying to shut me up.




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    What a whiner. Clearly you have a right to free speech and you can say whatever you want here unless you violate a rule.

    I just wanted to point out that Robert Ingersoll's quote was not in the context of calling all black people inferior. It made you look like an ignorant racist who has never actually read any of Ingersoll's work. Suggesting to someone that they shouldn't use contradictory quotes isn't censorship. If you think it is I truly worry about your education.

    If J was white, how would that possibly change the power he has over people in his contracting company? Saying that black people can never be racist because they have no power in our society is some pretty racist hyperbole. You're one of those neo-nazi euros aren't you?
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Definitely yes. This idea that only whites can be racist is relative new and mostly confined to the United States. In my book any hatred of another race, any feeling of superiority based on race, the idea that you are better than someone else because of the color of your skin or that someone else if inferior because of that color is all racism. Ethnicity in my opinion can fall into the same category as racism. One can be of the same race and still be a racist because of different cultures, backgrounds, social standings, etc. Perhaps the right word might be bigot, but the hatred and feeling of superiority is still there. It may be based on one being lighter in skin color or darker, but of the same race. It may be in upbringing or based on religion, creed, and tradition.

    In my travels around the world I have seen much more of the later than the former. But doesn’t hatred or the feeling someone else is inferior, untrustworthy as you put it of another for no other reason than skin color and I would include ethnic background, the same. I suppose what it is called may be two different words, but the actions, feelings, etc are the same. At least that is how I look at it regardless of what any dictionary may say.
    well its not only in your book its in 10 other books(DICTIONARIES) also

    so you are correct and anybody that disagrees that the OP scenario isnt racist has ZERO support for thier false and factually wrong claim.
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    What a whiner. Clearly you have a right to free speech and you can say whatever you want here unless you violate a rule.

    I just wanted to point out that Robert Ingersoll's quote was not in the context of calling all black people inferior. It made you look like an ignorant racist who has never actually read any of Ingersoll's work. Suggesting to someone that they shouldn't use contradictory quotes isn't censorship. If you think it is I truly worry about your education.

    If J was white, how would that possibly change the power he has over people in his contracting company? Saying that black people can never be racist because they have no power in our society is some pretty racist hyperbole.
    You're one of those neo-nazi euros aren't you?



    Nope, you're wrong again.

    I'm a realist, as I have said poor, powerless people's racism has very little effect on those that it's directed it towards.

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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    well its not only in your book its in 10 other books(DICTIONARIES) also

    so you are correct and anybody that disagrees that the OP scenario isnt racist has ZERO support for thier false and factually wrong claim.
    Thank you my friend. It is common sense to me and I wish it would be to others.
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Nope, you're wrong again.

    I'm a realist, as I have said poor, powerless people's racism has very little effect on those that it's directed it towards.

    A few men with rocks can't defeat powerful empires.
    So basically, the southern boy farmhand at the local ball going on about how them damn blacks are destroying his country by their leeching on welfare and stealing our white women is someone who you don't care about in terms of whether or not they're racist or if they're thinking/acting that way?

    And apparently, given your initial response to this hypothetical given no indication otherwise, someone who is the owner of a contractor company is someone who has "little economic or societal power, and thus whether or not they're racist or taking racists actions is something you wouldn't care about?

    Just trying to better understand your point since you haven't directly answered the situation in the OP and have generally been rather vague in terms of full explanation of your stance and how it applies to the question.

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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Racism is not one person's opinion. Racism is a societal preference. A person's action is a symptom of societal prejudice. Can a minority person hold racist views? Of course. But their views are relatively harmless. Society will never act to enforce their views. For every comedian at the Apollo who makes fun of "whitey", white people aren't denied jobs based on their race. The OP's scenario is extremely unlikely and even if it happened once, it would never be widespread enough to make a significant impact on the prosperity of white people as a whole. Nobody decides they don't want to rent an apartment to a white family. Non-white families face that kind of discrimination frequently.

    Donald Sterling saying that he doesn't want black people at his games... it doesn't really matter. Except that black people have been banned from public events, and are sometimes discouraged from going to them now. White people aren't. If a black owner had said the exact same thing about white people, it would have held no power. It could not realistically come to pass. That's what racism and bigotry and prejudice really are. Not one person shooting off their mouth. But the societal reinforcement behind it. That's racism with teeth. That's the only kind that matters.
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    well its not only in your book its in 10 other books(DICTIONARIES) also

    so you are correct and anybody that disagrees that the OP scenario isnt racist has ZERO support for thier false and factually wrong claim.
    You might want to check your double negative there. You are saying that the OP scenario is NOT racist and that anyone who disagrees and thinks it is, is factually wrong. But that does not appear to be what you mean.
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Racism is not one person's opinion. Racism is a societal preference. A person's action is a symptom of societal prejudice. Can a minority person hold racist views? Of course. But their views are relatively harmless. Society will never act to enforce their views. For every comedian at the Apollo who makes fun of "whitey", white people aren't denied jobs based on their race. The OP's scenario is extremely unlikely and even if it happened once, it would never be widespread enough to make a significant impact on the prosperity of white people as a whole. Nobody decides they don't want to rent an apartment to a white family. Non-white families face that kind of discrimination frequently.

    Donald Sterling saying that he doesn't want black people at his games... it doesn't really matter. Except that black people have been banned from public events, and are sometimes discouraged from going to them now. White people aren't. If a black owner had said the exact same thing about white people, it would have held no power. It could not realistically come to pass. That's what racism and bigotry and prejudice really are. Not one person shooting off their mouth. But the societal reinforcement behind it. That's racism with teeth. That's the only kind that matters.
    10 definitions in this thread alone prove the bolded statements factually wrong.

    The rest is opinion and some I even personally agree with but its still only opinion and has zero impact on the definition of what racism is.
    The op is factually racist. Even if I was the only contracting company that practiced that way and there were 1 million others and unemployment was 0% it would still be factually racist and racism.

    Impact/power has zero effect on the words racist and racism definition.

    Just like if a 5'6" 150lb man with no formal ability or training to fight, who never lifted a weight in his life decided to threaten me and tell me in a room fool of people he is going to kill me. Its still a threat. The judge isnt going to say its relatively harmless, society doesnt take the little guy seriously, its not significant and he couldnt realistically kill you with his bare hands, so it doesnt matter and no so no laws were broken.
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    You might want to check your double negative there. You are saying that the OP scenario is NOT racist and that anyone who disagrees and thinks it is, is factually wrong. But that does not appear to be what you mean.
    You are correct, the person i responded to got it but yes my verbiage was off in that post thanks.
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    The scenario:

    Where: USA
    When: today 5/12/2014

    I'm a black guy that owns a contracting Company. Its smaller, about 20 employees.

    Lets call it Agent J's Home Improvements and Landscaping.

    I dont hire any white people, I think they arent trust worthy simply because they are white so I deny everyone that applies. For me White = dishonest.

    Am I a racist, is this racism?
    Of course it's "racism" although current social standards do allow for certain minority discretion in Western Cultures_

    But I fully support your right to hire employees according to whatever standards you believe to be best for business_

    And IMO; no government has the right to force a business owner to hire or cater to people they otherwise would not_

    Of course this only works when we're all on the same page and there's no acceptions, exclusions or double standards_
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