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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    To me, racial bigotry = racism.
    That plays into racists' narrative that real racism doesn't exist. By equating real oppression with spewing crap, the illusion is created that being a racial bigot in the majority is the same as being a racial bigot in the minority and it is not.

    If you can understand that institutional racism is worse, then you can understand that a majority doing it is worse (from a social perspective). So, if a majority doing it is worse... why should we call it the same thing?

    The majority doing it wouldn't be worse if there was not systemic unjust discrimination present in the status quo. The denial of that status quo is required to equate the two.

    The racists seek to deny the status quo through the equating of racial bigotry by a majority power in systemic discrimination with spewing crap.

    Because if what they're doing is just spewing crap, it's not so bad... right?


    I've had enough of the equating lifelong oppression with trolling. People need to grow the **** up and see racism for what it really is.
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    To me, racial bigotry = racism.
    In this case eco is right. A minority that has this historical level of oppression can be called racist and exhibit bigotry, but it doesn't have the same social impact and won't for quite some time.
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    In this case eco is right. A minority that has this historical level of oppression can be called racist and exhibit bigotry, but it doesn't have the same social impact and won't for quite some time.
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    In this case eco is right. A minority that has this historical level of oppression can be called racist and exhibit bigotry, but it doesn't have the same social impact and won't for quite some time.
    thats not his argument at all, his argument is that minorities and or people not in power can NOT be racists. That argument fails and is factually wrong, 10+ definitions prove it wrong and any theory like that is dishonest and mentally inept and gets nothing but laughed at. The fastest way not to be taken seriously on this issue is to say minorities cant be racist lol.
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post


    I've had enough of the equating lifelong oppression with trolling. People need to grow the **** up and see racism for what it really is.
    then stop posting lies and accept the facts that can be proven while all you have is "nu-huh" lol

    10+ definitions prove you factually wrong and you cant post ONE thing to change it not one.
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    The main problem with Eco's argument is that he is talking about oppression and the sociological effect of the oppressive majority. In Eco's argument racism merely a tool used by the oppressive majority. In such a scenario racism is just one of the many tools to be used against sections of society.

    Meanwhile the poll and the entire conversation has been centered post after post on individual racism.

    Eco I know that you are here to stand by your assertions on racism. But perhaps if all of the posters here do not impress you and your Joe Feagin parrot show then I would suggest reading this Q and A that was answered by a Sociologist that just happens to a man of color with experiences well beyond yours or mine on this very subject.

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    "Conceptualizing racism as prejudice plus discriminatory acts that are “central to the core operations of the U.S. society” is knotty for me. The fact that relatively few blacks can hurt whites does not mean that no blacks can hurt whites. I see racism as operating on all levels from the individual with irrational bigotry throwing a brick to the unintentional (and intentional) race-based privilege that pervades a culture. Feagin is right to highlight the often unseen ways that white racism permeates the culture. However, he underestimates the power (and importance) of everyday racist actions by individuals of all hues and statuses. His conceptualization gives “free pass” to blacks and other minorities to hold racial prejudices and, when possible, act in discriminatory ways against whites. Moreover, his conceptualization takes victimhood to a level that encompasses all blacks, no matter their economic, social, or political standing. "

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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Racism is not an individual act. It can only be created by society. "Institutional racism" is the only real racism. Other crap is just bigotry being drummed up as generational oppression.
    100% factually false, repeating this lie will never make it true.

    these 10 definitions prove your statement to be 100% false

    Racism:
    rac·istnoun or adjective
    1: a belief that
    race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race[COLOR=#000000][FONT=Verdana]
    2: racial prejudice or discrimination
    [COLOR=#555555]

    heres links to 9 more
    racism noun - definition in the American English Dictionary - Cambridge Dictionaries Online
    racism - definition of racism by Macmillan Dictionary
    Racism | Define Racism at Dictionary.com
    racism: definition of racism in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)
    American Heritage Dictionary Entry: racism
    racism - definition of racism by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
    Collins English Dictionary | Always Free Online
    Heinle's Newbury House Dictionary of American English
    https://www.google.com/search?num=30...w=1600&bih=815

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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That plays into racists' narrative that real racism doesn't exist. By equating real oppression with spewing crap, the illusion is created that being a racial bigot in the majority is the same as being a racial bigot in the minority and it is not.

    If you can understand that institutional racism is worse, then you can understand that a majority doing it is worse (from a social perspective). So, if a majority doing it is worse... why should we call it the same thing?

    The majority doing it wouldn't be worse if there was not systemic unjust discrimination present in the status quo. The denial of that status quo is required to equate the two.

    The racists seek to deny the status quo through the equating of racial bigotry by a majority power in systemic discrimination with spewing crap.

    Because if what they're doing is just spewing crap, it's not so bad... right?


    I've had enough of the equating lifelong oppression with trolling. People need to grow the **** up and see racism for what it really is.
    I can see your position, kinda.

    I myself think that racism is racism, no matter who is doing it - but I can also follow the thinking behind "if the racist is from a majority with past and possibly current institutionalized racism, they have more....power...behind their racism".

    On the other hand I wouldn't call trolling racism - the person doing so isn't really racist, they're just...trolling.
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I can see your position, kinda.
    Keep trying and you'll see it more clearly, and you'll start to understand the implications.

    On the other hand I wouldn't call trolling racism - the person doing so isn't really racist, they're just...trolling.
    From a social perspective, as opposed to defining a social construct by the individual, one can see clearly that a minority talking crap is no more significant than trolling and -that- should not be equated with lifelong inescapable oppression.

    Have you ever heard of someone doing racism? No. Why? Because it's not an individual act. It requires social backing.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 05-15-14 at 11:29 PM.

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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    As Maggie said that is racist. The only person that will probably disagree is Eco.
    lol ain't that the truth.

    Eco and the dictionary do not see eye to eye on this subject.
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