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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    In my scenario that would indeed be the case - only the majority power would be accepting racism against themselves, in this case.

    See my edit addition

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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Racism is when the majority power (not necessarily a number majority, as in South Africa) institutes or perpetuates systemic unjust discrimination. East Africa is somewhat racist against their Arab populations.
    weird NONE of this is in any fo the 10+ FULL definitions that have been posted here
    I wonder why, oh i know because you are factually wrong and posting a lie that nobody takes seriously

    majority number nor power is needed for racism, this fact wont change and your post fails again
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    See my edit addition
    Ah, but they're only being racist against themselves indirectly - they're allowing a minority group or minority groups to be racist against them out of cultural remorse for past racism against the same groups.
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Ah, but they're only being racist against themselves indirectly - they're allowing a minority group or minority groups to be racist against them out of cultural remorse for past racism against the same groups.
    As I said, science fiction. It would make an interesting book, but it would take one hell of a setup to suspend disbelief.

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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    As I said, science fiction. It would make an interesting book, but it would take one hell of a setup to suspend disbelief.
    Yet, some argue that that very thing is happening on a limited scale, currently.

    Personally I think it's all bull****. Racism is when an individual makes a decision based on race. Institutionalized racism is when a group/nation/culture does so as a whole, or at least those who control it do. Like Nazi Germany, for example.
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Yet, some argue that that very thing is happening on a limited scale, currently.
    Nutbags


    Personally I think it's all bull****. Racism is when an individual makes a decision based on race. Institutionalized racism is when a group/nation/culture does so as a whole, or at least those who control it do. Like Nazi Germany, for example.

    Do you think a black person talking crap about whites (in the US) is the same thing as generations of oppression and living with unjust discrimination every single day of ones life? No, it's not. And that's why racism, a social construct, must be defined sociologically.

    Stop equating socially meaningless BS with real, inescapable, every day oppression for a lifetime.

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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Nutbags
    Very possibly.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Do you think a black person talking crap about a white (in the US) is the same thing as generations of oppression and living with unjust discrimination every single day of ones life? No, it's not. And that's why racism, a social construct, should be defined socially.

    Stop equating socially meaningless BS with real every day oppression.
    Of course they're not the same thing.

    The first is racism, the second is institutionalized racism.

    Edit: Neither are acceptable.
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    The first is racism, the second is institutionalized racism.
    The first is racial bigotry, an individual act. The second is racism, a social construct.

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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The first is racial bigotry, an individual act. The second is racism, a social construct.
    I just use different terms, apparently.

    I consider both examples racism, but the second is institutionalized racism, which is unquestionably worse (because it's a culture/nation rather than an individual).

    Edit: I use bigotry as a more general term - it includes racism, but also sexism, ageism, homophobia, etc, etc.
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    Re: Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I just use different terms, apparently.

    I consider both examples racism, but the second is institutionalized racism, which is unquestionably worse (because it's a culture/nation rather than an individual).

    Edit: I use bigotry as a more general term - it includes racism, but also sexism, ageism, homophobia, etc, etc.

    The bottom line is, you are equating BS with real every day oppression for a lifetime. Don't pretend you use the term "institutionalized racism" when referring to white racial bigots. You don't. And so, the two things are conflated, which is exactly what racists want to see happen. You are playing into their game of false equivalence and thus a denial of real racism.

    Note: I said 'racial bigotry'.

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