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Thread: Gerrymandering within the GOP

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    Re: Gerrymandering within the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Which census data and how?
    the districts would be drawn using population density data every ten years. political / other demographics would not be taken into account.

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    Re: Gerrymandering within the GOP

    OMG it's that hard to type in CA Congressional District maps?
    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q...97&FORM=IQFRBA

    And BTW the districting is done by political appointees of the ruling party not by north / south. We moved past north / south about a 150 years ago!


    Quote Originally Posted by Csareo View Post
    You mean northern California? I will grant you a half concession. Still a hell of a lot of republicans in the north. Would you mind supplying a map?

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    Re: Gerrymandering within the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    OMG it's that hard to type in CA Congressional District maps?
    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q...97&FORM=IQFRBA

    And BTW the districting is done by political appointees of the ruling party not by north / south. We moved past north / south about a 150 years ago!
    Nope. I always ask for the refuter to provide his own sources. Its not the duty of the opinionated to look up the refuters statement. Oh, and when I meant north, I meant north California.

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    Re: Gerrymandering within the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by Csareo View Post
    Well, I heard a lot of opinions, a lot of defenses, coupled with quite a few rants regarding gerrymandering. From what I have examined, gerrymandering is little more than "cheating" the American political system. I'm interested in presenting this question to a new community, in hopes if some justification for what many call "racist". You know, the whole effect = intention argument.

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    Gerrymandering is cheating the system.Both sides are guilty of it. A person's sex, race, political affiliation, income, or what ever else should have absolutely nothing to do with how districts are drawn. Ideally district maps should be based on on adult population size alone and drawn out by a computer.
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    Re: Gerrymandering within the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by Csareo View Post
    Well, I heard a lot of opinions, a lot of defenses, coupled with quite a few rants regarding gerrymandering. From what I have examined, gerrymandering is little more than "cheating" the American political system. I'm interested in presenting this question to a new community, in hopes if some justification for what many call "racist". You know, the whole effect = intention argument.

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    First, "Gerrymandering within the GOP" kind of highlights your mindset and bias right off the bat here. Gerrymandering is an endevour that has been going on for decades and both parties wantonly engage in it and specifically for political reasons. Suggesting this is only a problem within the GOP is just way off base. If your intent was just to talk about Gerrymandering in general then you shouldn't have called out and highlighted only one side in your title and OP. You can't throw a stone and then be shocked when people comment on the stone that you threw.

    Second, suggesting it as "cheating" is kind of off base as well given the notion that cheating is breaking a law/rule/guideline/etc. Gerrymandering is a constitutionally legal process. Utilizing it by either party is not "cheating" within our political system.

    Third, the only way to take politics out of the process of drawing districts would be to set up an equitable and fair algorithm and utilize that with a computer to draw the lines abscent input from any human source. The issue there, of course, is the process of determining and creating that algorithm is likely to be highly politicized in and of itself. An additional problem would be that, unlike with Gerrymandering which does potentially change over time based on the government makeup at the time the lines are being drawn, any political influence put into the creation of that original algorithm is likely to then remain there in an unbalancing factor for a significant time.

    So in general for me...I'm not a FAN of gerrymandering, but until a reasonably logical and equitable alternative is made legitimately possible I don't support the removal of the process.

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    Re: Gerrymandering within the GOP

    One time I tried to mander with Geri but she wouldn't have any part of it.
    Liberalismódividing up the EARNED wealth of honest, hard working and ingenious AMERICANS and giving it to the leeches who would rather waste their worthless lives living off the government teat.
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