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  • The USA is trying to create LNG market to EU.

    1 8.33%
  • The USA wants Ukraine Resources.

    2 16.67%
  • The USA wants Energy hegemony WorldWide.

    1 8.33%
  • The USA wants big Central Banks repaid.

    1 8.33%
  • The USA wants to squeeze EU by Pipeline control.

    3 25.00%
  • The USA wants NATO closer to Russian borders.

    3 25.00%
  • The USA is trying to embroil Russia in a "nation building" trap, like Iraq.

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    What Does The US Government Want in Ukraine?

    What Does The US Government Want in Ukraine?

    "By Ron Paul

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    In several eastern Ukrainian towns over the past week, the military opened fire on its own citizens. Dozens may have been killed in the violence. Although the US government generally condemns a country’s use of military force against its own population, especially if they are unarmed protesters, this time the US administration blamed the victims. After as many as 20 unarmed protesters were killed on the May 9th holiday in Ukraine, the State Department spokesman said “we condemn the outbreak of violence caused by pro-Russia separatists.”

    Why are people protesting in eastern Ukraine? Because they do not believe the government that came to power after the US-backed uprising in February is legitimate. They do not recognize the authority of an unelected president and prime minister. The US sees this as a Russian-sponsored destabilization effort, but is it so hard to understand that the people in Ukraine may be annoyed with the US and EU for their involvement in regime change in their country? Would we be so willing to accept an unelected government in Washington put in place with the backing of the Chinese and Iranians?

    The US State Department provided much assistance earlier this year to those involved in the effort to overthrow the Ukrainian government. The US warned the Ukrainian government at the time not to take any action against those in the streets, even as they engaged in violence and occupied government buildings. But now that those former protesters have come to power, the US takes a different view of protest. Now they give full support to the bloody crackdown against protesters in the east. The State Department spokesperson said last week: “We continue to call for groups who have jeopardized public order by taking up arms and seizing public buildings in violation of Ukrainian law to disarm and leave the buildings they have seized.” This is the opposite of what they said in February. Do they think the rest of the world does not see this hypocrisy?

    The residents of eastern Ukraine have long been closer to Russia than to the US and EU. In fact, that part of Ukraine had been a part of Russia. After February’s regime change, officials in the east announced that they would hold referenda to see whether the population wanted autonomy from the US-backed government in Kiev. The US demanded that Russian President Putin stop eastern Ukraine from voting on autonomy, and last week the Russian president did just that: he said that the vote should not be held as scheduled. The eastern Ukrainians ignored him and said they would hold the vote anyway. So much for the US claims that Russia controls the opposition in Ukraine.

    Even though the Russian president followed US demands and urged the eastern Ukrainians to hold off on the vote, the US State Department announced that the US would apply additional sanctions on Russia if the vote is held! Does this make any sense?

    The real question is why the US government is involved in Ukraine in the first place. We are broke. We cannot even afford to fix our own economy. Yet we want to run Ukraine? Does it really matter who Ukrainians elect to represent them? Is it really a national security matter worth risking a nuclear war with Russia whether Ukraine votes for more regional autonomy and a weaker central government? Isn’t that how the United States was originally conceived?

    Has the arrogance of the US administration, thinking they should run the world, driven us to the brink of another major war in Europe? Let us hope they will stop this dangerous game and come to their senses. I say let’s have no war for Ukraine! "

    Will Western Central Bankers will get their debts repaid if USA controls Ukraine?
    If the USA wanted democracy, they would have already had an election, like SE Ukraine/Crimea.
    What's different about "protestors" in Kiev vs. SouthEast Ukraine protestors?
    Why didn't the USA condemn the killing of protestors in Odessa/Mariupol?
    Why label the protestors as "terrorists, separatists, federalists, etc."?
    Does the USA want Ukrainian resources?
    Does the USA want to control EU natural gas supplies?
    Does the USA want NATO bases closer to Russian borders?
    Is the USA trying to trap Russia into a expensive Nation building debacle?
    Why did the USA put a banker/oligarch in charge in Ukraine?
    Why is the likely protestor sniper organizer/leader/murderer a head of National Defense (Parubliy)?
    Why was Pravy Sektor in charge at Odessa/Mariupol massacres?
    Is the USA attempting to "hegemonize" Energy control WorldWide i.e.(Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria,etc.)?
    Is the USA trying to create a market for US LNG to EU?
    What do these questions have to do with the USA 99%?

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    Re: What Does The US Government Want in Ukraine?

    For Russia not to have it?

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    Re: What Does The US Government Want in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    For Russia not to have it?
    There you have it, a simple six word answer.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: What Does The US Government Want in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    For Russia not to have it?
    That in any case is what the EU was rather clumsily shooting for with the trade treaty they proposed.

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    Re: What Does The US Government Want in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    For Russia not to have it?
    It's not Russia that overthrew Yanukovych, it was USA/Nuland/CIA/NED/NGOs. We put a billionaire banker in charge and the sniper organizer of the Maidan shooters from the floors of the Ukraniya Hotel has been appointed Defense Minister. His troops, Pravy Sektor, are responsible for the Odessa/Mariupol massacres. We are backing these murderous scumbags. These were unarmed civilians that were murdered. Now, I hear they are using artillery on Slaviansk. More civilians.

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    Re: What Does The US Government Want in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    What Does The US Government Want in Ukraine?

    "By Ron Paul

    May 12 2014 "
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    In several eastern Ukrainian towns over the past week, the military opened fire on its own citizens. Dozens may have been killed in the violence. Although the US government generally condemns a country’s use of military force against its own population, especially if they are unarmed protesters, this time the US administration blamed the victims. After as many as 20 unarmed protesters were killed on the May 9th holiday in Ukraine, the State Department spokesman said “we condemn the outbreak of violence caused by pro-Russia separatists.”

    Why are people protesting in eastern Ukraine? Because they do not believe the government that came to power after the US-backed uprising in February is legitimate. They do not recognize the authority of an unelected president and prime minister. The US sees this as a Russian-sponsored destabilization effort, but is it so hard to understand that the people in Ukraine may be annoyed with the US and EU for their involvement in regime change in their country? Would we be so willing to accept an unelected government in Washington put in place with the backing of the Chinese and Iranians?

    The US State Department provided much assistance earlier this year to those involved in the effort to overthrow the Ukrainian government. The US warned the Ukrainian government at the time not to take any action against those in the streets, even as they engaged in violence and occupied government buildings. But now that those former protesters have come to power, the US takes a different view of protest. Now they give full support to the bloody crackdown against protesters in the east. The State Department spokesperson said last week: “We continue to call for groups who have jeopardized public order by taking up arms and seizing public buildings in violation of Ukrainian law to disarm and leave the buildings they have seized.” This is the opposite of what they said in February. Do they think the rest of the world does not see this hypocrisy?

    The residents of eastern Ukraine have long been closer to Russia than to the US and EU. In fact, that part of Ukraine had been a part of Russia. After February’s regime change, officials in the east announced that they would hold referenda to see whether the population wanted autonomy from the US-backed government in Kiev. The US demanded that Russian President Putin stop eastern Ukraine from voting on autonomy, and last week the Russian president did just that: he said that the vote should not be held as scheduled. The eastern Ukrainians ignored him and said they would hold the vote anyway. So much for the US claims that Russia controls the opposition in Ukraine.

    Even though the Russian president followed US demands and urged the eastern Ukrainians to hold off on the vote, the US State Department announced that the US would apply additional sanctions on Russia if the vote is held! Does this make any sense?

    The real question is why the US government is involved in Ukraine in the first place. We are broke. We cannot even afford to fix our own economy. Yet we want to run Ukraine? Does it really matter who Ukrainians elect to represent them? Is it really a national security matter worth risking a nuclear war with Russia whether Ukraine votes for more regional autonomy and a weaker central government? Isn’t that how the United States was originally conceived?

    Has the arrogance of the US administration, thinking they should run the world, driven us to the brink of another major war in Europe? Let us hope they will stop this dangerous game and come to their senses. I say let’s have no war for Ukraine! "

    Will Western Central Bankers will get their debts repaid if USA controls Ukraine?
    If the USA wanted democracy, they would have already had an election, like SE Ukraine/Crimea.
    What's different about "protestors" in Kiev vs. SouthEast Ukraine protestors?
    Why didn't the USA condemn the killing of protestors in Odessa/Mariupol?
    Why label the protestors as "terrorists, separatists, federalists, etc."?
    Does the USA want Ukrainian resources?
    Does the USA want to control EU natural gas supplies?
    Does the USA want NATO bases closer to Russian borders?
    Is the USA trying to trap Russia into a expensive Nation building debacle?
    Why did the USA put a banker/oligarch in charge in Ukraine?
    Why is the likely protestor sniper organizer/leader/murderer a head of National Defense (Parubliy)?
    Why was Pravy Sektor in charge at Odessa/Mariupol massacres?
    Is the USA attempting to "hegemonize" Energy control WorldWide i.e.(Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria,etc.)?
    Is the USA trying to create a market for US LNG to EU?
    What do these questions have to do with the USA 99%?
    They're trying to distract you from the evil mind-controlling device they have aimed at you from space.

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    Re: What Does The US Government Want in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    They're trying to distract you from the evil mind-controlling device they have aimed at you from space.
    There are more than a few holes in your theoretical physics. They seem to be working on you though. Try getting fitted for a tinfoil hat and a leadfoil burkha. And then there are those ever functional rose colored glasses. Have some.

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    Re: What Does The US Government Want in Ukraine?

    It's just more U.S. dick-waving, pure and simple.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: What Does The US Government Want in Ukraine?

    So the Ukraine votes for more regional autonomy and a weaker central government so their future federal judiciary can reverse the entire process.

    Just like us.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
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    Re: What Does The US Government Want in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's just more U.S. dick-waving, pure and simple.
    I realize it's only symbolic but, who really does that? Dick waving? I just never thought of that as a way to get your point across. 8)
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

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