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    Re: Accept or Decline Donald Sterling Apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    The most disturbing thing about this whole incident is not that there are racist rich white guys owning basketball teams out there, it's that comments said in one's home can have such repercussions. Are we moving to a society we're we have to "lawyer" everything that comes out of our mouths?
    Seems the comments were made to someone not to be trusted. Those always have repercussions.

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    Re: Accept or Decline Donald Sterling Apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Not my call. How do we treat others after they apologize? He should not be treated any differently.
    Do parents remove penalties from their children for apology? If one apologizes for a crime, are the charges dropped? No. One must still pay for what one does, and he damaged the NBA.

    He's forgiven, but the NBA must still be made whole.

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    Re: Accept or Decline Donald Sterling Apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What? I'll condemn a minority racial bigot just as much as a racist. And remain aware of the difference.



    Why not just call me a race traitor?
    I already have. It was in the...you know where.

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    Re: Accept or Decline Donald Sterling Apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Bigotry is about more than hatred. Not all bigotry is the same. Racism is bigotry in a social context. That social context cannot be removed in order to equate all bigotry or the point of having a name for the social construct as opposed to bigotry is lost. That's the objective of racists - to ignore real racism and invent fake racism by equating it with bigotry and just discrimination like AA.
    Yeah. So you're saying African-Americans can't be racist because their ancestors were slaves even though some current African-Americans (and you) hate whites for the color of their skin?

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    Re: Accept or Decline Donald Sterling Apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No, you call bigotry by minorities racism because you ignore real racism.
    I don't know if you're speak generally or specifically to Sterling's comments but weren't racist. They may not even rise to the level of bigotry.
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    Re: Accept or Decline Donald Sterling Apology?

    Not that I really care since the hammer go will go down, but the apology wasn't sincere. He's not sorry for being a racist, he's sorry he got caught. Being a racist for 3-4 decades, engaging in housing discrimination, then suing for getting called out on engaging in discrimination, and then making employees uncomfortable among a litany of other harmful acts does not constitute "a mistake." It is a systematic pattern of behavior that is not likely to change at age 82.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Accept or Decline Donald Sterling Apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Yeah. So you're saying African-Americans can't be racist because their ancestors were slaves even though some current African-Americans (and you) hate whites for the color of their skin?
    No, it's because they have no power to institute or perpetuate systemic unjust discrimination. They can be bigots, but they have not the social power that defines racism.

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    Re: Accept or Decline Donald Sterling Apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Seems the comments were made to someone not to be trusted. Those always have repercussions.
    Not always and nowhere to this extent. His comments weren't illegal.

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    Re: Accept or Decline Donald Sterling Apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I don't know if you're speak generally or specifically to Sterling's comments but weren't racist. They may not even rise to the level of bigotry.
    He chose to exclude a race, to create a second class citizenry. What he did was an overt attempt to marginalize and subjugate a minority. Further, he considers hard earned pay to be handouts in some sort of a modern plantation fantasy.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I already have. It was in the...you know where.
    So you're calling me a race traitor. Thanks.

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    Re: Accept or Decline Donald Sterling Apology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    Not always and nowhere to this extent. His comments weren't illegal.
    His comments were a disgrace to the NBA and tarnished the organization. He can be forgiven, but the NBA must still be made whole.

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