Was Jesus White?

It seems unlikely he resembles the typical blue-eyed, fair-skinned depiction of him but that isn't provable nor is it terribly relevant to anything.

MildSteel said:

I think that someone who has publicly demonstrated a profound inability to understand scientific literature that they have posted right here in this forum, should not make accusations about the level of intelligence of others. What you posted about mixed races being more susceptible to genetic disease is not only verifiably factually false, but it is indicative of a low class, demented mind that is desperately searching for some mechanism to rid itself of it's filth, it's rot, it's inability to comprehend material that was written for someone with sixth grade intelligence. If your were to actually try to engage in an intelligent conversation on sophisticated mathematical concepts, those with knowledge would immediately recognize you for the fool that you really are.

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You're so funny. It's like watching a parrot. It is a miracle that you are able to mimic human behavior to the extend that you can copy written language in a way that makes sense, too bad you didn't master the other part of human interaction, the part where you read and comprehend what the other person is saying. Because a parrot speaks beautifully and can mimic words exactly a they are spoken, but he has no real understanding of what the words mean... they carry no weight to the parrot anymore than a random throat clearing carries in a public square among strangers.

MildSteel said:

Actually, you may have a point. Sometimes I have seen that liberals can indeed be like that. But not all of them are that way.

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Indeed, but the crusaders are more than likely to trip that wire.

clownboy said:

Indeed, but the crusaders are more than likely to trip that wire.

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Indeed. Like I said, good point.

Ad_Captandum said:

Just out of sheer, morbid curiosity at what you folks think.

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No one really knows, but chances are that he was not white. Looking at the family heritage probably looked like an Arab. However, one ancestor King David was described as Ruddy. This is sometimes understood as red haired or fair skinned. Therefore genetically it is possible that Jesus was a fair skinned man.

tacomancer said:

who cares? his message was far more important than his race.

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Jesus was beyond the concept of race, because he had truly transcended the bodily conception of life. It's the kind of stuff that trips people up, and indeed a certain group of Jews, not really understanding this principle tried to catch Jesus, but were bewildered in their attempt

Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.

20 Now there were seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and dying left no seed.

21 And the second took her, and died, neither left he any seed: and the third likewise.

22 And the seven had her, and left no seed: last of all the woman died also.

23 In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife.

24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?

27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

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Here Jesus directly says that Abraham, Issac, and Jacob are still alive. Now one may ask how can this be because certainly their bodies had decayed a long time ago. But because, the sentient being, that has come from God, is eternal and does not die when the body dies, indeed Abraham, Issac, and Jacob are still alive. Jesus understood this and had perfectly realized it through very advanced spiritual realization. So ultimately, Jesus was beyond the bodily concept of life and was living a life of full transcendental realization. Therefore he has neither white, black, Arab, olive, or Jew. He was a totally, self realized true son of God.

Jesus was indeed far ahead of his time. Well acquainted in the science of the truth of what sentience actually is, he enlightened people as to the nature of the Supreme Sentient Being, God his father, and we the subordinate sentient beings his children. Hence the prayer, OUR Father, who art in heaven. Here it is clearly established that God is indeed the source of all sentient beings, hence the word OUR. Furthermore who art in heaven, establishes that the Supreme Sentient Being is transcendental to the relative material world. Thy will be done on Earth, as it is in heaven establishes that the will of the Supreme Sentient Being is done everywhere. That will is not constrained by time and space, i.e. on Earth.Thus, the reign of the Supreme Lord, the controller, and source of all things is perfectly established.

Presently scientists are trying to create artificial intelligence and create biological organisms. But the fact is that the mystery of sentience has confounded them. And actually it will continue to confound them because, in truth, the sentient being is not a product of the material energy of the Supreme Lord. It's pure nature is transcendental to that of the material energy. The sentient being has actually been placed into a very sophisticated virtual reality in which it is under the illusion that it is black, white, Arab, Jew, Chinese, man, woman, and so many other types of illusion. In reality it is none of these things. It's real nature is that of servant of the Supreme Being. Therefore Jesus taught his disciples that everything belonged to our Father the Supreme Lord, all of the power belongs to the Supreme Lord, and all glorification belongs to the Supreme Lord and that is the eternal truth. That is actual knowledge.

Jesus was indeed far ahead of his time.

Ad_Captandum said:

Just out of sheer, morbid curiosity at what you folks think.

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He was totally, brilliantly White, he was the Whitest thing in the universe, nothing ever has been or ever will be as White as Jesus Christ was.

Is that clear to all of you non-White people out there?

If not, you might have a problem.

Deal with it any way that you can.

MildSteel said:

Jesus understood this and had perfectly realized it through very advanced spiritual realization. So ultimately, Jesus was beyond the bodily concept of life and was living a life of full transcendental realization. Therefore he has neither white, black, Arab, olive, or Jew. He was a totally, self realized true son of God.

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:lamo

I will give you one thing, though -- he definitely was self-realised!

tacomancer said:

who cares? his message was far more important than his race.

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Too bad it gets terribly misinterpreted.

shrubnose said:

He was totally, brilliantly White, he was the Whitest thing in the universe, nothing ever has been or ever will be as White as Jesus Christ was.

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Whiter than that powder on your nose? :2razz:

Ad_Captandum said:

:lamo

I will give you one thing, though -- he definitely was self-realised!

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Of course he was. Do you actually know who you are? Or do you actually think that you are black, or white, or Jew?

What are you? What makes you so sure?

MildSteel said:

Of course he was. Do you actually know who you are? Or do you actually think that you are black, or white, or Jew?

What are you? What makes you so sure?

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I'm sure this is a willful attempt to ignore my criticism. Ah well, what else is new?

Anyway, I'm not really sure what your question is.

Ad_Captandum said:

I'm sure this is a willful attempt to ignore my criticism. Ah well, what else is new?

Anyway, I'm not really sure what your question is.

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It's a simple question, who are you?

Well according to recently unearthed scrolls, jesus can change his shape so everybody's right. :mrgreen:

Shape-Shifting Jesus Described in Ancient Egyptian Text | Passion of Jesus & Easter | LiveScience

MildSteel said:

It's a simple question, who are you?

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By convention, I am British. Who are you?

Ad_Captandum said:

By convention, I am British. Who are you?

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That is by convention, and it is a superficial designation. If you move to the US, some may say you are American. But there is something deeper that is constant.

I am a sentient being that is a separated part and parcel of the Supreme Sentient Being, God.

MildSteel said:

That is by convention, and it is a superficial designation. If you move to the US, some may say you are American. But there is something deeper that is constant.

I am a sentient being that is a separated part and parcel of the Supreme Sentient Being, God.

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I have truly no idea what you're trying to say here. What does this have to do with ethnicity?

Ad_Captandum said:

I have truly no idea what you're trying to say here. What does this have to do with ethnicity?

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Again, the question is, who are you? British is just a superficial designation, just like saying someone is white.

MildSteel said:

Again, the question is, who are you? British is just a superficial designation, just like saying someone is white.

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I'm British, which forms a significant part of my identity. My nation has truly shaped the world like no other nation has, and that has translated into an important cultural and historical heritage for modern Britons. So it's not all that superficial.

Beyond that, I am a democratic socialist -- I believe the working men and women of this world are the true unsung heroes of history, and our modern society is thankfully trying to look out for disadvantaged groups more than any time in history.

I am a member of the Labour Party. Of course, as with any party, I don't agree with every stance they have, but I support their combination of good liberal economic policy (liberal, note, not in the American use of the word) with progressive social policy and expansive foreign policy.

I am an atheist. It's readily apparent to me that religion is a human construct, and while I recognise the past usefulness of such a social-moral construct, I think that human science and law is a much better socio-moral system to base our societies on today.

Who are you?

Ad_Captandum said:

I'm British, which forms a significant part of my identity. My nation has truly shaped the world like no other nation has, and that has translated into an important cultural and historical heritage for modern Britons. So it's not all that superficial.

Beyond that, I am a democratic socialist -- I believe the working men and women of this world are the true unsung heroes of history, and our modern society is thankfully trying to look out for disadvantaged groups more than any time in history.

I am a member of the Labour Party. Of course, as with any party, I don't agree with every stance they have, but I support their combination of good liberal economic policy (liberal, note, not in the American use of the word) with progressive social policy and expansive foreign policy.

I am an atheist. It's readily apparent to me that religion is a human construct, and while I recognise the past usefulness of such a social-moral construct, I think that human science and law is a much better socio-moral system to base our societies on today.

Who are you?

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I have answered the question.

Every one of the things you mentioned are superficial designations that can change. But the sentient being, the one who is observing the changes, remains, the constant observer of those changes. At one time you were a boy, and thought you were a boy. But you can no longer claim to be a boy. But the observer remains constant. Therefore the question is, just what is the sentient being who is observing all these changes? It is a very profound question, because in fact, the question of sentience has confounded scientists to this very day.

Therefore, to say someone is self realized, in truth, is not a trivial matter.

MildSteel said:

I have answered the question.

Every one of the things you mentioned are superficial designations that can change. But the sentient being, the one who is observing the changes, remains, the constant observer of those changes. At one time you were a boy, and thought you were a boy. But you can no longer claim to be a boy. But the observer remains constant. Therefore the question is, just what is the sentient being who is observing all these changes? It is a very profound question, because in fact, the question of sentience has confounded scientists to this very day.

Therefore, to say someone is self realized, in truth, is not a trivial matter.

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But I don't believe in your imaginary friend. You telling me everything is superficial except your god rings incredibly hollow to me -- in fact, I would say your religion is one of the more superficial things about you. It's largely determined by where you're born and who tells you which fable when you're young.

PoS said:

Whiter than that powder on your nose? :

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2razz:

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Since there's not now, never has been, or ever will be any powder on my nose, yes.

Ad_Captandum said:

But I don't believe in your imaginary friend. You telling me everything is superficial except your god rings incredibly hollow to me -- in fact, I would say your religion is one of the more superficial things about you. It's largely determined by where you're born and who tells you which fable when you're young.

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That's fine if you don't believe that.

But the fact is, that whether you think those designations are superficial or not, they are temporary for one thing, and they don't yield any insight on what is the nature of sentience. So do you have any insight on what you think the phenomenon of sentience actually is, or do you only have temporary designations to offer? If so, I would put forward that your notion that you are actually British in any meaningful, real sense, is simply imaginary, something that only exists in your subjective mind.

shrubnose said:

He was totally, brilliantly White, he was the Whitest thing in the universe, nothing ever has been or ever will be as White as Jesus Christ was.

Is that clear to all of you non-White people out there?

If not, you might have a problem.

Deal with it any way that you can.

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Funny you should bring that up

2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.

3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.

4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

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