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  • Yep, white as a Viking, despite being an Arab!

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  • Yes, because Arabs are white, too. Have you ever actually looked at a Lebanese person?

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  • No, he wasn't white, because Arabs aren't white, only European are white.

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    Re: Was Jesus White?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    I'm British, which forms a significant part of my identity. My nation has truly shaped the world like no other nation has, and that has translated into an important cultural and historical heritage for modern Britons. So it's not all that superficial.

    Beyond that, I am a democratic socialist -- I believe the working men and women of this world are the true unsung heroes of history, and our modern society is thankfully trying to look out for disadvantaged groups more than any time in history.

    I am a member of the Labour Party. Of course, as with any party, I don't agree with every stance they have, but I support their combination of good liberal economic policy (liberal, note, not in the American use of the word) with progressive social policy and expansive foreign policy.

    I am an atheist. It's readily apparent to me that religion is a human construct, and while I recognise the past usefulness of such a social-moral construct, I think that human science and law is a much better socio-moral system to base our societies on today.

    Who are you?
    I have answered the question.

    Every one of the things you mentioned are superficial designations that can change. But the sentient being, the one who is observing the changes, remains, the constant observer of those changes. At one time you were a boy, and thought you were a boy. But you can no longer claim to be a boy. But the observer remains constant. Therefore the question is, just what is the sentient being who is observing all these changes? It is a very profound question, because in fact, the question of sentience has confounded scientists to this very day.

    Therefore, to say someone is self realized, in truth, is not a trivial matter.

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    Re: Was Jesus White?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I have answered the question.

    Every one of the things you mentioned are superficial designations that can change. But the sentient being, the one who is observing the changes, remains, the constant observer of those changes. At one time you were a boy, and thought you were a boy. But you can no longer claim to be a boy. But the observer remains constant. Therefore the question is, just what is the sentient being who is observing all these changes? It is a very profound question, because in fact, the question of sentience has confounded scientists to this very day.

    Therefore, to say someone is self realized, in truth, is not a trivial matter.
    But I don't believe in your imaginary friend. You telling me everything is superficial except your god rings incredibly hollow to me -- in fact, I would say your religion is one of the more superficial things about you. It's largely determined by where you're born and who tells you which fable when you're young.

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    Re: Was Jesus White?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Whiter than that powder on your nose? :
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    Since there's not now, never has been, or ever will be any powder on my nose, yes.

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    Re: Was Jesus White?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    But I don't believe in your imaginary friend. You telling me everything is superficial except your god rings incredibly hollow to me -- in fact, I would say your religion is one of the more superficial things about you. It's largely determined by where you're born and who tells you which fable when you're young.
    That's fine if you don't believe that.

    But the fact is, that whether you think those designations are superficial or not, they are temporary for one thing, and they don't yield any insight on what is the nature of sentience. So do you have any insight on what you think the phenomenon of sentience actually is, or do you only have temporary designations to offer? If so, I would put forward that your notion that you are actually British in any meaningful, real sense, is simply imaginary, something that only exists in your subjective mind.

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    Re: Was Jesus White?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    He was totally, brilliantly White, he was the Whitest thing in the universe, nothing ever has been or ever will be as White as Jesus Christ was.

    Is that clear to all of you non-White people out there?

    If not, you might have a problem.

    Deal with it any way that you can.
    Funny you should bring that up

    2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.

    3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.

    4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

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    Re: Was Jesus White?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    That's fine if you don't believe that.

    But the fact is, that whether you think those designations are superficial or not, they are temporary for one thing, and they don't yield any insight on what is the nature of sentience. So do you have any insight on what you think the phenomenon of sentience actually is, or do you only have temporary designations to offer? If so, I would put forward that your notion that you are actually British in any meaningful, real sense, is simply imaginary, something that only exists in your subjective mind.
    Just as your god is an imaginary construct that only exists in your subjective mind?

    I fail to see the difference.

    Anyway, I think there's a lot more normative and moral power in my conception of sentience: People are all sovereign, to an extent, and living in a subjective world. To that end, the constructs we create have the ultimate moral power in the world -- governments, laws, systems of thought. These are literally everything -- both our captors and our saviours.

    There is nothing but us -- but I think that's a powerful thing.

    What is a god except something which gives meaning to the universe? That is precisely what we do. You and I -- we're Gods. We don't need some fairy tale about an incestual father-son celestial dictator to give us meaning -- we can do it ourselves.

    In fact, we have been all along.

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    Re: Was Jesus White?

    Just a quick remark. I grew up in Toledo, OH, and there is a very LARGE Lebanese community there. All of them have at least olive skin. It is NOT "white".

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    Re: Was Jesus White?

    Having never laid eyes on the man, I can't say what his complexion was. The bible says he was a Jew. All the Jewish people I ever met were what I would consider Caucasian versus Negro or Asian.
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    Re: Was Jesus White?

    Quote Originally Posted by theclown View Post
    Just a quick remark. I grew up in Toledo, OH, and there is a very LARGE Lebanese community there. All of them have at least olive skin. It is NOT "white".
    There are plenty of Arabs with lighter skin than Greeks or Italian, though. Certainly plenty of East Asians, too.

    I'm not saying it's incorrect to label Europeans 'white' and Arabs 'not' -- it's merely a metonym. White essentially means European. It's not actually indicative of the skin colour of a person, because there are plenty of people who are as white as Europeans, but they're not 'white' in that specific sense.

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    Re: Was Jesus White?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    But I don't believe in your imaginary friend. You telling me everything is superficial except your god rings incredibly hollow to me -- in fact, I would say your religion is one of the more superficial things about you. It's largely determined by where you're born and who tells you which fable when you're young.
    Not necessarily. You somehow managed to cleverly escape what you consider fables...now give other individuals the same credit for making their own adult decisions even if they have not rejected what they were taught. And remember too all the people who have become persons of faith as thoughtful, intelligent, reasonable adults.

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