And once again you are missing the point that there is no evidence he existed and therfore none that he was cricified.
There simply is truth or logic to claiming that forgiving ones executioners is evidence of divinity.
"you're better off on Stormfront discussing how evil brown men are taking innocent white flowers." Infinite Chaos
Not only that but you can't provide an instance of someone being tortured in such a cruel way, put to death, and then asking for forgiveness of the perpetrators. Where is that person? Give me one example of someone being tortured like that, and being put to death like that and asking for forgiveness for the perpetrators like that. Furthermore, the vast difference in the case of Jesus, is that Jesus lived a life where he not only taught, but practiced such forgiveness. Which person in Europe prior to Jesus taught people to love their enemies? Which person in Europe prior to Jesus taught people to turn the other cheek? Indeed prior to his torture and crucifixion Jesus taught the following
Indeed these are truly divine principles. No one was talking about such things in Europe before Jesus. That's the evidence of the divine nature of Jesus.38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Jesus as beyond awesome. In this world all you see is people wanting revenge and hating. Jesus was divine. It is because he had transcended the material world and the bodily concept of life. He had thoroughly realized the truth that indeed he was from the Supreme, Divine, Transcendental, Almighty God.
The bible is not written record of his existence as it was wirtten long after his presumed life and death. Therefore it is not contemporaneous with his life. In fact no historical secular or written history exists of him prior to decades after his presumed life and death. The easliest known reference is not even directly about him but about his followers. Roman records exist of written correspondence between various officials who discussed his followers and therefore made referrence to him by name but nothing more specific than that
One more time I cannot provide an example when so many hundreds of thousands have been executed without a record of what they said.
It is a false assumption on your part that NONE of them did so. In modern executions it is not uncommon for people to forgive the executioners. Therefore it is not reasonable to assume as you do that no one would have done so in the past. Your claim is that you know and CAN know what people will think and say when faced with death you do not and cannot.
Yes people were talking about such things before jesus. Not in the same way or with the same details but in fact they did. Nothign in Jesus message was new it is as old as humanity. Sanscrit writings and others which pre date jesus by millenia describe the same basic messages of morality. Men did not need an obscure rumor of a jewish prophet to understand christian morality.
BTw Jesus was not european so I fail to see why you focus on that part of the world.
Ethnically, they are both Semitic peoples.
It is equally ethnically accurate to call Jesus, for all intents and purposes, an Arab. He was just Jewish by faith.