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    Re: Changes To GOP Primary Debate Process, Will They Help or Hurt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well, couple things here:

    1. I have no issue with the GOP doing this from a general procedural level. Their candidate, their rules as to how they select them.

    2. I do think it'll ultimately help them. I don't think the extra "exposure" being talked about is going to matter all that much since this is simply limited to the primary. Trying to create an environment where Republicans can pick their candidate without it being one where they're likely to give extra fodder to the Democrats is helpful.

    3. Personally, I'm annoyed by it...specifically the penalizing people for participating in "un-sanctioned" events. I'm fine with the RNC saying they get to pick everything about their officially sponsored debates, but I have a bit of an issue with them limiting what and how a candidate can essentially campaign.
    I question whether it will create resentment among the base. If they sense that a variety of opinions that they see as legitimate being suppressed, controlled, PCized, or otherwise controlled by an "establishment" that many of the more grass roots oriented folks dislike, then those people are more likely to look to other solutions and feel alienated.

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    Re: Changes To GOP Primary Debate Process, Will They Help or Hurt?

    I was hoping you would answer this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well, couple things here:

    1. I have no issue with the GOP doing this from a general procedural level. Their candidate, their rules as to how they select them.
    I would not suggest otherwise. Nothing wrong with this from that standpoint.

    2. I do think it'll ultimately help them. I don't think the extra "exposure" being talked about is going to matter all that much since this is simply limited to the primary. Trying to create an environment where Republicans can pick their candidate without it being one where they're likely to give extra fodder to the Democrats is helpful.
    To me, this action misses the point. The primary process is not what cost Romney the election. Letting Obama define him and never managing to define himself in terms that enough people liked is what cost him the election. That did not happen until Romney was the clear choice(even if he had not technically won the nomination yet).

    3. Personally, I'm annoyed by it...specifically the penalizing people for participating in "un-sanctioned" events. I'm fine with the RNC saying they get to pick everything about their officially sponsored debates, but I have a bit of an issue with them limiting what and how a candidate can essentially campaign.
    Yeah, that would piss me off if democrats did it(and give it time, they probably will). I was wondering if any one would catch that.
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    Re: Changes To GOP Primary Debate Process, Will They Help or Hurt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I would not suggest otherwise. Nothing wrong with this from that standpoint.
    Didn't mean to imply you were suggesting that. Was just one angle to take the question.

    To me, this action misses the point. The primary process is not what cost Romney the election. Letting Obama define him and never managing to define himself in terms that enough people liked is what cost him the election. That did not happen until Romney was the clear choice(even if he had not technically won the nomination yet).
    I don't think the primary process cost Romney the election. I do think though it likely hurt, more than helped, his general election bid. Most of the common "benefits" of a Primary didn't apply to him imho. I don't think he got any greater "exposure" then he already had with regards to the electorate. I don't think he needed "seasoning" for a full campaign after the previous primary and his run for governor. I don't think he particular endeared himself to any portions of the base that were possibly apprehensive about him being the candidate.

    I think there are positives and negatives that candidates tend to pull from a primary. I think, on the whole, Romney had more negative than postive from the primary process last cycle. That doesn't mean it "cost" him the election; it simply means it wasn't particularly helpful to him trying to win it.

    Yeah, that would piss me off if democrats did it(and give it time, they probably will). I was wondering if any one would catch that.
    That's the one part that really irks me, because I can understand wanting to tightly control your own debates but the notion of telling the candidates how and where they're allowed to campaign, in essense, just bugs me.

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    Re: Changes To GOP Primary Debate Process, Will They Help or Hurt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I don't think the primary process cost Romney the election. I do think though it likely hurt, more than helped, his general election bid. Most of the common "benefits" of a Primary didn't apply to him imho. I don't think he got any greater "exposure" then he already had with regards to the electorate. I don't think he needed "seasoning" for a full campaign after the previous primary and his run for governor. I don't think he particular endeared himself to any portions of the base that were possibly apprehensive about him being the candidate.

    I think there are positives and negatives that candidates tend to pull from a primary. I think, on the whole, Romney had more negative than postive from the primary process last cycle. That doesn't mean it "cost" him the election; it simply means it wasn't particularly helpful to him trying to win it.
    I should expand a bit on what I said for clarity I think. To my mind, the problem with Romney and the primary(from a strategic standpoint) was that he did not use the primary as he should have. Contrast it to Obama in 2008, where he used the primary to define himself, to introduce himself to us voters. Romney did not, or very poorly, and that was not a fault of the primary system. That is what I meant by this action missing the point. The problem with the debates is not in how they operated, but instead in how they where used.
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    Re: Changes To GOP Primary Debate Process, Will They Help or Hurt?

    Basically they want mods that will give softball questions or not challenge their lies. It will be a joke. The worst thing for the GOP is their own candidates.

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    Re: Changes To GOP Primary Debate Process, Will They Help or Hurt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I should expand a bit on what I said for clarity I think. To my mind, the problem with Romney and the primary(from a strategic standpoint) was that he did not use the primary as he should have. Contrast it to Obama in 2008, where he used the primary to define himself, to introduce himself to us voters. Romney did not, or very poorly, and that was not a fault of the primary system. That is what I meant by this action missing the point. The problem with the debates is not in how they operated, but instead in how they where used.
    I disagree. The folks who voted for Santorum knew who they were voting against. The 2012 primary shower the fractured GOP at a national level. I see no reason it will be any different .

    I do agree on your assessment on Obama in 2008.

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