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    Is man just a really smart monkey

    I have been seeing alot of stuff lately on elephants, dolphins etc that show compassion for other beings and seem to understand death at some level and mourn the passing of others. I always thought things like this is what separated man from animals but now I am beginning to wonder.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I have been seeing alot of stuff lately on elephants, dolphins etc that show compassion for other beings and seem to understand death at some level and mourn the passing of others. I always thought things like this is what separated man from animals but now I am beginning to wonder.
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Man is just a really inept bird that spends billions to fly.
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I have been seeing alot of stuff lately on elephants, dolphins etc that show compassion for other beings and seem to understand death at some level and mourn the passing of others. I always thought things like this is what separated man from animals but now I am beginning to wonder.
    The more you study the higher forms of life on planet Earth, the more you realize that the gulf between humans and other animals is really not all that great.
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    SOME men (and women) are smart apes,anyway.

    Others, I'm not so sure.
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Humanity is not merely qualitatively superior to all animals, (as in Humans 100 Chimp 50), but a whole different paradigm, a sort of Prigogine-like leap of organization and complexity far beyond the great apes, dolphins and whales.

    It is more than just a question of degree; it is a huge leap of orders of magnitude in complexity and sophistication. There is a vast gulf between the highest of animals and the average human.


    Consider the complexity of thought and communication: humans are capable of thinking upon and communicating a virtual infinity of concepts, shaded with thousands of subtle nuances.... no animal can be shown to come even close in thought or communication.

    Comparing animals and humans is like comparing a Stone Age flint knife to a 21st century automated machine-tool factory. In a sense they are both TOOLS, yes... but the complexity of one is so far beyond the other than the automated factory would seem like magic to the maker of the stone knife.

    Consider art, literature, history, society, government... we organize and operate in realms of complexity and vast numbers of people coordinated into structures beyond the comprehension of apes and whales, who do not communicate beyond basic concepts nor organize larger than small bands.

    There simply is no comparison. Humanity may resemble Animal in certain rough ways, but in fact Humanity is something as far beyond animals as computers are beyond stone knives.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I have been seeing alot of stuff lately on elephants, dolphins etc that show compassion for other beings and seem to understand death at some level and mourn the passing of others. I always thought things like this is what separated man from animals but now I am beginning to wonder.
    Elephants and dolphins are both self-aware. Some individuals are much more talented than their peers, but on the whole both species join humans in having an idea of self (and thus others).
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Humanity is not merely qualitatively superior to all animals, (as in Humans 100 Chimp 50), but a whole different paradigm, a sort of Prigogine-like leap of organization and complexity far beyond the great apes, dolphins and whales.

    It is more than just a question of degree; it is a huge leap of orders of magnitude in complexity and sophistication. There is a vast gulf between the highest of animals and the average human.


    Consider the complexity of thought and communication: humans are capable of thinking upon and communicating a virtual infinity of concepts, shaded with thousands of subtle nuances.... no animal can be shown to come even close in thought or communication.

    Comparing animals and humans is like comparing a Stone Age flint knife to a 21st century automated machine-tool factory. In a sense they are both TOOLS, yes... but the complexity of one is so far beyond the other than the automated factory would seem like magic to the maker of the stone knife.

    Consider art, literature, history, society, government... we organize and operate in realms of complexity and vast numbers of people coordinated into structures beyond the comprehension of apes and whales, who do not communicate beyond basic concepts nor organize larger than small bands.

    There simply is no comparison. Humanity may resemble Animal in certain rough ways, but in fact Humanity is something as far beyond animals as computers are beyond stone knives.
    I once thought the same thing but I'm beginning to wonder.

    " Scientists once thought of tool use as a defining feature of humans, but increasingly research is showing adept tool users on land, air and sea in the animal kingdom. Investigating how such behavior developed in this diverse mix promises to shed light on how tool use might have originated in humanity.

    Chimpanzees

    Chimpanzees are humanity's closest living relatives, and apparently learned how to make and use tools long ago without human help, with stone hammers found at a chimp settlement in the Ivory Coast dating back 4,300 years. They are even capable of making spears to hunt other primates for meat, and are known to have developed specialized tool kits for foraging army ants.

    10 Animals That Use Tools | LiveScience

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There simply is no comparison. Humanity may resemble Animal in certain rough ways, but in fact Humanity is something as far beyond animals as computers are beyond stone knives.
    What about species like Homo neanderthalensis? Or Homo heidelbergensis?
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I have been seeing alot of stuff lately on elephants, dolphins etc that show compassion for other beings and seem to understand death at some level and mourn the passing of others. I always thought things like this is what separated man from animals but now I am beginning to wonder.
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