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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Literally none of what you said is true. 1. We aren't a virus. 2. We are not in danger of imminent extinction nor are our memorials. 3. We have not been too successful for our own good. 4. Half of us are not fat.
    1. I disagree

    2. If we go extinct our memorials will vanish within 10,000 years. Are we close to extinction? Depends how you look at it.

    3. Sure we have--look at how we've killed almost anything on the planet that is not directly used by us for food or other purposes.

    4. Fine, 1/3 of us are.
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    1. I disagree
    Well then it's a good thing you aren't teaching others and it casts doubt on any of your other posts.

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    2. If we go extinct our memorials will vanish within 10,000 years. Are we close to extinction? Depends how you look at it.
    That's not even close to true. Even if we were to be wiped off the planet today, we have memorials and societal info engraved upon and constructed from non-perishable materials. For instance, we have the Bible micro-engraved upon diamond.

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    3. Sure we have--look at how we've killed almost anything on the planet that is not directly used by us for food or other purposes.
    Not even close.

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    4. Fine, 1/3 of us are.
    Not even that species wide.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well then it's a good thing you aren't teaching others and it casts doubt on any of your other posts.



    That's not even close to true. Even if we were to be wiped off the planet today, we have memorials and societal info engraved upon and constructed from non-perishable materials. For instance, we have the Bible micro-engraved upon diamond.



    Not even close.



    Not even that species wide.
    Of course we are not literally a virus.
    1/3 of all the human adults being fat is pretty bad.
    10,000 years and most of what we have created is covered in sand, water or overgrown jungle
    Look at the current man-made mass extinction below:
    Holocene extinction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Q: Is man just a really smart monkey?

    A: Depends on which member of DP you are referring. Some aren't very smart at all.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    I was debating the sense conveyed by the modifiers "just" and "really" which distort the significance and degree of the intellectual gap.

    "Just" means "no big deal", right? Well, I kind of think it's a big deal in the sense of a hugely, enormous, gargantuan fabulously big deal that humans and only humans have done stuff like build machines capable of flying to and landing on Mars. That makes us a f*** of a lot more than a no big deal "just" any goddam thing.

    And "really" could encompass such a great range of values that it does nothing to impart a sense of the huge, enormous, gargantuan fabulously big difference between how smart we are and how smart any other animal is, as measured by countless accomplishments of ours, staring us in the face every waking moment, which no animal has come close to beginning to replicate. That makes us a f*** of a lot more than a "really" smart any goddam thing.

    Furthermore, you went much further than OP:

    (from reply #4, emphasis added):


    Which is what originally moved me to take part in the thread.

    We all have our dream worlds, which we cannot to happy without, so go ahead and dream Flipper = Einstein if that's what it takes for you.
    Humans lived in much the same way as their simian counterparts for much of our existence, in small hunter-gatherer groups making shelters out of whatever happened to be handy, gathering wild edible plants, and hunting other animals for food. Yes, we did carry tool making to a greater degree than most other animals, so there is some difference.

    The real question, IMO, is how is it that modern man has accomplished so much more than our ancestors did for the first 95% of our existence?

    And, how do we know that other animals don't have the potential to advance just as quickly, given the chance?

    I other words, the contrast you describe is just as much between humans and humans as it is between humans and other animals.
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Humans lived in much the same way as their simian counterparts for much of our existence, in small hunter-gatherer groups making shelters out of whatever happened to be handy, gathering wild edible plants, and hunting other animals for food. Yes, we did carry tool making to a greater degree than most other animals, so there is some difference.

    The real question, IMO, is how is it that modern man has accomplished so much more than our ancestors did for the first 95% of our existence?

    And, how do we know that other animals don't have the potential to advance just as quickly, given the chance?

    I other words, the contrast you describe is just as much between humans and humans as it is between humans and other animals.
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Humans lived in much the same way as their simian counterparts for much of our existence, in small hunter-gatherer groups making shelters out of whatever happened to be handy, gathering wild edible plants, and hunting other animals for food. Yes, we did carry tool making to a greater degree than most other animals, so there is some difference.
    Even our paleolithic tool making was carried to a degree far surpassing all animals. That was so from when stone was first bound to wood. After then per Wiki an explosion in the diversity of artifacts began ~50,000 years ago, about 150,000 years after the appearance of the human species.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The real question, IMO, is how is it that modern man has accomplished so much more than our ancestors did for the first 95% of our existence?
    The question ought to be narrowed down to why the agricultural revolution took as long as it did to occur. That was the development from which all that is modern flowed. It may be that the ratio of the number of people to the amount of land was so favorable to hunting and gathering that there was no need to seek an alternative.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    And, how do we know that other animals don't have the potential to advance just as quickly, given the chance?
    I think it is likely such potential can be decisively ruled out on an anatomical, neuroscientific basis for all other animals except maybe for cetaceans (i.e. Flipper), and that it has been ruled out for cetaceans by the 24/7/365 observations of the last several decades.

    Also, almost all other animals now in existence have already had as much of a chance as us, and only a few have only the crudest unfashioned tools to show for it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I other words, the contrast you describe is just as much between humans and humans as it is between humans and other animals.
    Addressed, I think.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    I think the main thing that sets us apart from all other animals is complacency and acceptance.

    We're not complacent - never happy - ergo we seek out ways of continually improving and altering all things in our lives. Once we reach our individual or social level of acceptance we are more willing to ease off and stagnate.

    But then the cycle begins again.

    Not everyone has this drive, of course: leaders and followers.

    Other animals use tools which is where many define 'intelligence' per various scales - birds create skewering sticks from leaves in New Zealand, apes use sticks to skewer mouthfuls of termintes. However, all of this is for food gains, no other reason. These advancements are merely to increases chances of survival through improved subsistence.

    That's where early man was tens of thousands of years ago, I imagine. But once we were able to better feed ourselves our need for advancements (lack of complacency / lack of acceptance) pushed us beyond seeing to our basic needs.

    An interesting episode of Nova equated advanced intelligence and problem solving skills with body-to-brain mass differentia. Not overall physical size, but 'big brain for __-sized animal. Humans, certain types of birds, and a few other species have brains that are bigger than required for us to function - thus - with that extra brain space we're able to problem solve. All such animals that have a larger-than-needed brain for their sized body have advanced intelligence which usually equates to higher problem solving skills.

    Humans, however, are the only ones who act on this without *just* trying to obtain food.
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I have been seeing alot of stuff lately on elephants, dolphins etc that show compassion for other beings and seem to understand death at some level and mourn the passing of others. I always thought things like this is what separated man from animals but now I am beginning to wonder.
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    Even our paleolithic tool making was carried to a degree far surpassing all animals. That was so from when stone was first bound to wood. After then per Wiki an explosion in the diversity of artifacts began ~50,000 years ago, about 150,000 years after the appearance of the human species.



    The question ought to be narrowed down to why the agricultural revolution took as long as it did to occur. That was the development from which all that is modern flowed. It may be that the ratio of the number of people to the amount of land was so favorable to hunting and gathering that there was no need to seek an alternative.



    I think it is likely such potential can be decisively ruled out on an anatomical, neuroscientific basis for all other animals except maybe for cetaceans (i.e. Flipper), and that it has been ruled out for cetaceans by the 24/7/365 observations of the last several decades.

    Also, almost all other animals now in existence have already had as much of a chance as us, and only a few have only the crudest unfashioned tools to show for it.



    Addressed, I think.
    Where homo sapiens really began to diverge from the other animals is around ten thousand years ago when we started to experiment with agriculture, writing, mathematics, animal husbandry, and building more permanent structures. Just why that happened, after 95% of our history had already passed, is one of the great mysteries of human progress.

    The cetaceans have no opportunity to develop any of that living in their watery world.
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