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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    All the talk of intelligence is irrelevant. "Animal" is a biological category. Biologically, we are animals.
    Intelligence certainly IS a biological category. What else could it be? A magical category? A mystical category? It's quite amazing the positions some DP members will take.

    And in any case all talk of what category intelligence belongs to is irrelevant because the whole point of OP was a deprecation of the difference between humans and other animals, and there is no reasonable way to depreciate our intellectual differences, no matter what category you try to force intelligence into.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    Intelligence certainly IS a biological category. What else could it be? A magical category? A mystical category? It's quite amazing the positions some DP members will take.

    And in any case all talk of what category intelligence belongs to is irrelevant because the whole point of OP was a deprecation of the difference between humans and other animals, and there is no reasonable way to depreciate our intellectual differences, no matter what category you try to force intelligence into.
    So, that makes the correct choice "man is just a really smart monkey." Most correct, anyway, as we are great apes and not monkeys.

    The statement "Man is something different than an animal, something superior even." is totally wrong, as we are a part of the animal kingdom.
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I have been seeing alot of stuff lately on elephants, dolphins etc that show compassion for other beings and seem to understand death at some level and mourn the passing of others. I always thought things like this is what separated man from animals but now I am beginning to wonder.
    Humans are a virus, a flaw which soon the flow of time will extinguish and erase all record of. In a sentence: We have been too successful for our own good.


    Currently half of us are fat. Think about what that means for a minute. We are literally eating ourselves to death while depleting the planet of its precious resources. Eventually, this will result in a major fail. I cannot see how there could be any other outcome.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda1858 View Post
    Mark Twain said: "God created man because he was disappointed in the monkey".
    Disappointed? ****. Imagine how He feels about us.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Considering the number of people that support socialism, the fact Obama is president and many other things would tend to support that if mankind is a monkey, it is actually a pretty dumb example of one.
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Considering the number of people that support socialism, the fact Obama is president and many other things would tend to support that if mankind is a monkey, it is actually a pretty dumb example of one.
    The post above has about the same intellectual content that a monkey might have been able to put into it, but all Obama supporters possess the infinitely higher intelligence I have been talking about.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I would go with something more than simply "smart"

    For example, it appears humans are the only animals capable of thinking about purely conceptual ideas, which helps allow us to build tools on tops of tools and create new concepts for social cohesion. Those two things are, from what i can tell, our primary evolutionary advantage over other animals.
    That perspective was developed because of anatomy and environment. We had many things to manipulate in our environments and we had thumb, or even just fully articulated appendages.

    Cetaceans are in a much more stable environment with less things or need to manipulate and their anatomy has developed to maximize their survival in such an environment.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I don't think they've developed a way of writing underwater just yet.
    Surely devices of some kind could easily be designed to test the hypothesis that dolphins have literacy potential- perhaps a set of letters on blocks with some kind of slotted boards to put them on.


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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, that makes the correct choice "man is just a really smart monkey." Most correct, anyway, as we are great apes and not monkeys.

    The statement "Man is something different than an animal, something superior even." is totally wrong, as we are a part of the animal kingdom.
    I was debating the sense conveyed by the modifiers "just" and "really" which distort the significance and degree of the intellectual gap.

    "Just" means "no big deal", right? Well, I kind of think it's a big deal in the sense of a hugely, enormous, gargantuan fabulously big deal that humans and only humans have done stuff like build machines capable of flying to and landing on Mars. That makes us a f*** of a lot more than a no big deal "just" any goddam thing.

    And "really" could encompass such a great range of values that it does nothing to impart a sense of the huge, enormous, gargantuan fabulously big difference between how smart we are and how smart any other animal is, as measured by countless accomplishments of ours, staring us in the face every waking moment, which no animal has come close to beginning to replicate. That makes us a f*** of a lot more than a "really" smart any goddam thing.

    Furthermore, you went much further than OP:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    ...the gulf between humans and other animals is really not all that great.
    Which is what originally moved me to take part in the thread.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Humans are a virus, a flaw which soon the flow of time will extinguish and erase all record of. In a sentence: We have been too successful for our own good.


    Currently half of us are fat. Think about what that means for a minute. We are literally eating ourselves to death while depleting the planet of its precious resources. Eventually, this will result in a major fail. I cannot see how there could be any other outcome.
    Literally none of what you said is true. We aren't a virus. We are not in danger of imminent extinction nor are our memorials. We have not been too successful for our own good. Half of us are not fat.

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