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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    I would go with something more than simply "smart"

    For example, it appears humans are the only animals capable of thinking about purely conceptual ideas, which helps allow us to build tools on tops of tools and create new concepts for social cohesion. Those two things are, from what i can tell, our primary evolutionary advantage over other animals.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    we are nothing more than selfish animals.
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Intelligence can be measured in many ways. You don't get to redefine those ways to make a false point.

    A crow has the reasoning ability of a seven-year-old child. Watch the vid. It's an education.

    Crows are as intelligent as CHILDREN: Study reveals birds have same intelligence as a seven-year-old | Mail Online
    "Redefining"? Focus on two of most vital categories of intelligence is "redefining"? I think not.

    As for the seven-year old child, seven to eight is around the time humans to master writing and mathematics; it when they learn to spell "c-a-t" and learn that "1+1=2". I am not as easily impressed as you, and I am not going to sign on to this crow stuff until the birds start showing evidence of literary and mathematical accomplishment.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Not according to Manc Skipper's post 27.

    No one has taught dolphins math. They've figured it out on their own.
    No, sorry, but the article does not come close to confirming that dolphins have any mathematical ability at all. It is also incoherently written, what with the "dolphins blowing multiple tiny bubbles around prey as they hunted" clearly implying that the prey was located prior to bubble generation, and other confused prose. (I am noticing more and more awful syntax and obvious mistakes in the written media these days. I guess they have fired all the copy editors in order to save money).

    And expecting a creature without binocular vision, hands, or arms to read and write numeric symbols is really asking a lot.
    Google indicates that dolphins do have binocular vision, although that makes no difference to our argument: humans can learn how to spell and add even if they are blind.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Try reading my whole post next time. For your edification.
    I did read (and reply to) your whole post #13, which IMO serioulsy understates the contrast between human and other animal intelligence. However, I missed your post #14, which is much more reasonable, and which I mostly agree with.


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    We are animals, and we are distant relatives of apes, monkeys, what have you.
    OK.


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    We just lucked out to have a genetic defect, that we worked utilized extensively to our advantage.
    Not OK. Our intelligence is in no sense a "defect"- not biologically speaking, and not colloquially speaking.


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    All the other animals in the kingdom have something besides brains to fall back on, tooth, claw, speed and brawn. We have none of those. We live and die by our intellect and our very real obsession with tools.
    OK.


    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Our intellect is not infinitely greater, it is greater by orders of magnitude for certain uses, amongst those the development and use of tools.
    There may to be no limit to our ability to design different tools. If so that ability has a non-trivial infinite attribute. I do not believe the same can be said for any other member of the tree of life- all others' tool-designing abilities are finite. Infinity divided by any finite number = infinity.


    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Yes we are the apex of the food chain so to speak. We got that way because we are very very very good at improvising and adapting ourselves and the environment around us to stack the deck in our favor. We cheat and well.
    I think of us more along the lines of people in white coats in laboratories than along the lines of a card sharp.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    No, sorry, but the article does not come close to confirming that dolphins have any mathematical ability at all. It is also incoherently written, what with the "dolphins blowing multiple tiny bubbles around prey as they hunted" clearly implying that the prey was located prior to bubble generation, and other confused prose. (I am noticing more and more awful syntax and obvious mistakes in the written media these days. I guess they have fired all the copy editors in order to save money).


    Google indicates that dolphins do have binocular vision, although that makes no difference to our argument: humans can learn how to spell and add even if they are blind.
    There are lots of other studies indicating that dolphins have mathematical ability, but I'm sure they must be similarly flawed as well. The ones showing that dolphins have developed languages and may have names for each other, are they also poorly written and ungrammatical?
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Mark Twain said: "God created man because he was disappointed in the monkey".
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    There are lots of other studies indicating that dolphins have mathematical ability,
    Got any links?


    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    but I'm sure they must be similarly flawed as well.
    I said the reporter's prose was flawed, not the study, which might or might not be. The sciences are rife with publication pressure, and confirmation bias is widespread, especially with trendy and politically correct topics, such as that there is nothing really so special about our status in the animal kingdom. Wouldn't it be adorable if Flipper was just as smart as us!


    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The ones showing that dolphins have developed languages and may have names for each other, are they also poorly written and ungrammatical?
    I am aware of the fact that dolphins possess elaborate communication skills. Linguistic skills even remotely approaching those of human beings are another story. I might not hold out for a dolphin-novel the size of War and Peace, but I will hold out for for some form of fiction, among other things, before I consider dropping the word "infinite" from my argument.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda1858 View Post
    Mark Twain said: "God created man because he was disappointed in the monkey".
    If it was a serious endeavor, god is surely still disappointed, however if it was just for entertainment god is plenty entertained.
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    Got any links?




    I said the reporter's prose was flawed, not the study, which might or might not be. The sciences are rife with publication pressure, and confirmation bias is widespread, especially with trendy and politically correct topics, such as that there is nothing really so special about our status in the animal kingdom. Wouldn't it be adorable if Flipper was just as smart as us!



    I am aware of the fact that dolphins possess elaborate communication skills. Linguistic skills even remotely approaching those of human beings are another story. I might not hold out for a dolphin-novel the size of War and Peace, but I will hold out for for some form of fiction, among other things, before I consider dropping the word "infinite" from my argument.
    I don't think they've developed a way of writing underwater just yet. How about gossip?
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