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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Are you sure?
    Even applying human definitions of intelligence, the dolphins come out second. If you understand that there are different types of intelligence, even among humans, then it is quite possible that their intelligence is actually equal to ours.

    Even if they're in second place (according to us) the difference is not all that great.
    Would it really be unfair of me to ask that we stick to literacy and numeracy?

    Have Ms Morino get back to us as soon as the first dolphin can spell "c-a-t" and can add 1+1. Coco the gorilla might be an example of rudimentary literacy among other species, except I do not think her abilities have been confirmed and replicated to the satisfaction of the scientific community. Also, whatever these species' literary and numeric accomplishments are (and there might be none), keep in mind that they were not developed autonomously, but were fully dependent on human initiative and instruction.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I have been seeing alot of stuff lately on elephants, dolphins etc that show compassion for other beings and seem to understand death at some level and mourn the passing of others. I always thought things like this is what separated man from animals but now I am beginning to wonder.
    Although humans are apes, not monkeys, the reality is that there is nothing we possess that some other species don't also possess.

    We just are uniquely geared towards specific intellectual traits beyond the level any other animal is. But there are animals that are exceptional in other ways. And we don't really know yet if that's truly an advantage in the long run. Yes, we control more of the world than any other animal, but we have also flirted with destroying ourselves many times, and if the human species does go extinct, it will likely be at our own hands. That's a level of destruction no other species is capable of.

    We have uniquely strong intellectual traits both positively and negatively. We aren't "superior" -- just somewhat unique. And we share a lot more in common with some other intelligent species than our egos often permit us to admit. As you say, we are not the only species to experience compassion and grief, or even complex problem solving and theory of mind. We're just the best at it. But our ability to introspect is lagging behind some of our other intellectual gifts, so I don't really think we deserve to be as smug about it as we often are, and we certainly aren't "better" than other creatures. After all, when was the last time an elephant tried to genocide the neighboring pack? Some humility, and perhaps even some observance of what other species do well, would do us good.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    Would it really be unfair of me to ask that we stick to literacy and numeracy?

    Have Ms Morino get back to us as soon as the first dolphin can spell "c-a-t" and can add 1+1. Coco the gorilla might be an example of rudimentary literacy among other species, except I do not think her abilities have been confirmed and replicated to the satisfaction of the scientific community. Also, whatever these species' literary and numeric accomplishments are (and there might be none), keep in mind that they were not developed autonomously, but were fully dependent on human initiative and instruction.
    Intelligence can be measured in many ways. You don't get to redefine those ways to make a false point.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Intelligence can be measured in many ways. You don't get to redefine those ways to make a false point.

    A crow has the reasoning ability of a seven-year-old child. Watch the vid. It's an education.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    Would it really be unfair of me to ask that we stick to literacy and numeracy?

    Have Ms Morino get back to us as soon as the first dolphin can spell "c-a-t" and can add 1+1. Coco the gorilla might be an example of rudimentary literacy among other species, except I do not think her abilities have been confirmed and replicated to the satisfaction of the scientific community. Also, whatever these species' literary and numeric accomplishments are (and there might be none), keep in mind that they were not developed autonomously, but were fully dependent on human initiative and instruction.
    Not according to Manc Skipper's post 27.

    No one has taught dolphins math. They've figured it out on their own.

    And expecting a creature without binocular vision, hands, or arms to read and write numeric symbols is really asking a lot.
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    All the talk of intelligence is irrelevant. "Animal" is a biological category. Biologically, we are animals.
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    All the talk of intelligence is irrelevant. "Animal" is a biological category. Biologically, we are animals.
    No one can deny that.

    At least not successfully. I'm not sure whether someone might try. It's quite amazing the positions some DP members will take.
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    For the second time:

    (reply #12, this thread):
    Try reading my whole post next time. For your edification.

    The primary difference between us and every other animal is our dependence on our intellect for survival and our obsession with tools. Those combined form a very potent survival combination of survival traits. If you examine almost everything we do or use it is essentially a tool of some sort. Laws are mental tools for maintaining order, language a tool for cooperation and transfer of information, nature itself is a tool. We as a species take tool use as compared to the rest of the animal kingdom to whole other levels, magnitudes above our closest competitors. A flexible agile mind combined with a tool obsession makes for a very potent combo.
    We are animals, and we are distant relatives of apes, monkeys, what have you. We just lucked out to have a genetic defect, that we worked utilized extensively to our advantage. All the other animals in the kingdom have something besides brains to fall back on, tooth, claw, speed and brawn. We have none of those. We live and die by our intellect and our very real obsession with tools. Our intellect is not infinitely greater, it is greater by orders of magnitude for certain uses, amongst those the development and use of tools. Yes we are the apex of the food chain so to speak. We got that way because we are very very very good at improvising and adapting ourselves and the environment around us to stack the deck in our favor. We cheat and well.
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I have been seeing alot of stuff lately on elephants, dolphins etc that show compassion for other beings and seem to understand death at some level and mourn the passing of others. I always thought things like this is what separated man from animals but now I am beginning to wonder.
    Beyond a spiritual perspective, I'd see no reason to suppose that we're in any way 'special'. Merely different.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I have been seeing alot of stuff lately on elephants, dolphins etc that show compassion for other beings and seem to understand death at some level and mourn the passing of others. I always thought things like this is what separated man from animals but now I am beginning to wonder.
    I mean, I know what you're getting at, but we're not monkeys. We're primates, like they are, but we're actually much more closely related to bonobos, chimpanzees and even gorillas.

    Monkeys are relatively far away, all things considered.

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