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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Treat a waitress bad and they spit in your food. One vote for smart monkey.
    Or one vote for dumb monkey for not figuring out you shouldn't piss off people who handle your food...

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I have been seeing alot of stuff lately on elephants, dolphins etc that show compassion for other beings and seem to understand death at some level and mourn the passing of others. I always thought things like this is what separated man from animals but now I am beginning to wonder.
    I read your post about back pain and the wife's solution you apparently enjoyed smoking. Given your past posts and now this one I'd say the change is noticeable and for the better!!! Keep on truckin through the fog!

    I'd say the 'gulf' between mankind and the other species on this planet isn't as big as those who would claim we have Divine Dominion over all.

    We tend to blur the matter by claiming our acts are intelligent and animals doing the same is instinctual.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    I do not understand how you can say this.

    The human intellect is so much greater than that of any other animal that the difference might justly be called infinite. We can, for example, discover and comprehend the complete functional anatomy down past the molecular level of any species, but no other species can discover and comprehend ours. In another vein there is no limit to the number of tools that human can design and build (all machines are tools), but no other species has any but the most crude and rudimentary tool-making ability. In fact, the list of examples where our intellectual superiority is infinite might itself be infinite.

    We are undoubtedly Earth's paramount creature, made so by our fabulous intellect.
    The difference is just a difference in degree, and not in kind. There are examples of animals doing almost all of the same things that humans do.

    It is possible that the cetaceans may have an intellect as great as that of man, but, living in a different environment, they haven't developed the use of tools and fire as we have.
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    I do not understand how you can say this.

    The human intellect is so much greater than that of any other animal that the difference might justly be called infinite. We can, for example, discover and comprehend the complete functional anatomy down past the molecular level of any species, but no other species can discover and comprehend ours. In another vein there is no limit to the number of tools that human can design and build (all machines are tools), but no other species has any but the most crude and rudimentary tool-making ability. In fact, the list of examples where our intellectual superiority is infinite might itself be infinite.

    We are undoubtedly Earth's paramount creature, made so by our fabulous intellect.
    Easy, if you take a step back. Let me preface with this. Probably the biggest inventions of mankind were those that occurred early on. The discovery of how to utilize fire, the creation of simple machines (levers, pulleys, wheels, etc.) or the ability to grow our own food instead of hunting and gathering. These were momentousness advances for us not for the increased technological capabilities, but for ingenuity that it took for humans to create them. It requires an astounding grasp on the external world and an pretty deep understanding of cause and effect to make those happen. Our later inventions where a computer got smaller, a vaccination was discovered, or a space shuttle flew further weren't necessarily the most astounding inventions. We'd have gotten there with or without much innovation. The path had already been set.

    That said, what is remarkable about animals is that many of them demonstrate the same grasp that we have on the external world. Whether they can peer through a microscope or not, it is pretty inconsequential. What they have is the potential or the capacity to do this, just like early Homo sapiens. Granted now that we're the prime species on Earth there probably won't be this stunning change of natural hierarchies. However it's no doubt that there are a few species that show complexities and intelligence that isn't that far behind us.
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I read your post about back pain and the wife's solution you apparently enjoyed smoking. Given your past posts and now this one I'd say the change is noticeable and for the better!!! Keep on truckin through the fog!

    I'd say the 'gulf' between mankind and the other species on this planet isn't as big as those who would claim we have Divine Dominion over all.

    We tend to blur the matter by claiming our acts are intelligent and animals doing the same is instinctual.

    I wondered if anyone would go there,if anyone would connect the dots.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The difference is just a difference in degree, and not in kind. There are examples of animals doing almost all of the same things that humans do.
    The difference between partial differential equations and no partial differential equations is more than just one of infinite degree, it is also once of difference in kind, since no animal has any mathematical skill at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It is possible that the cetaceans may have an intellect as great as that of man, but, living in a different environment, they haven't developed the use of tools and fire as we have.
    No it is not possible, as closely as we have studied them.

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Dolphins rule.

    Dolphins May Be Math Geniuses : Discovery News


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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Easy, if you take a step back. Let me preface with this. Probably the biggest inventions of mankind were those that occurred early on. The discovery of how to utilize fire, the creation of simple machines (levers, pulleys, wheels, etc.) or the ability to grow our own food instead of hunting and gathering. These were momentousness advances for us not for the increased technological capabilities, but for ingenuity that it took for humans to create them. It requires an astounding grasp on the external world and an pretty deep understanding of cause and effect to make those happen. Our later inventions where a computer got smaller, a vaccination was discovered, or a space shuttle flew further weren't necessarily the most astounding inventions. We'd have gotten there with or without much innovation. The path had already been set.
    None of this suggests a need for me to reconsider anything. In fact, it consists of nothing other than more examples of what I termed our "infinite" "intellectual superiority".



    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    That said, what is remarkable about animals is that many of them demonstrate the same grasp that we have on the external world.
    Specifics, please. And I am going to hold you to the word "same".



    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Whether they can peer through a microscope or not, it is pretty inconsequential. What they have is the potential or the capacity to do this, just like early Homo sapiens.
    Don't be ridiculous. No other animal has the potential or capacity to look through a microscope with any appreciation of what they are seeing, even if they could figure out how to focus it. Then of course there is the problem of constructing the microscope, or construction any other scientific instrument.



    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Granted now that we're the prime species on Earth there probably won't be this stunning change of natural hierarchies. However it's no doubt that there are a few species that show complexities and intelligence that isn't that far behind us.
    Specifics, please. And I am going to hold you to the phrase "not that far behind". Take your microscope example. Are there a few species which have built magnifying glasses that I haven't heard about, or something?

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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    The difference between partial differential equations and no partial differential equations is more than just one of infinite degree, it is also once of difference in kind, since no animal has any mathematical skill at all.


    No it is not possible, as closely as we have studied them.
    Are you sure?
    Even applying human definitions of intelligence, the dolphins come out second. If you understand that there are different types of intelligence, even among humans, then it is quite possible that their intelligence is actually equal to ours.

    Even if they're in second place (according to us) the difference is not all that great.

    If human standards for intelligence are applied to non-human animals, however, dolphins come very close to our own brain aptitude levels, suggests Emory University dolphin expert Lori Marino.

    She's performed MRI scans of dolphin brains. The scans prove dolphin brains are:

    big, relative to body size
    intricate, with a neocortex "more highly convoluted than our own"
    structured to allow for self-awareness and the processing of what Marino calls "complex emotions"
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    Re: Is man just a really smart monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    What about species like Homo neanderthalensis? Or Homo heidelbergensis?


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