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Are we obsessed with people's sexuality?

Do you think coming out announcements are overkill

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 31.3%

  • No

    Votes: 6 18.8%

  • I love it when I hear of others coming out

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • It should not be news worthy

    Votes: 11 34.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 4 12.5%
  • Total voters
    32
CriticalThought said:
You can make fun of my username and I will just continue to rip apart your feable attempts at arguments. Do you even have an argument in this thread aside from "Some gays are attention whores and I do not like it!"?
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Well you can read the entirety of my post. i think I have addressed quite a few issues that many simpletons, including yourself, think you can make a case against what I said. And without resorting to strawmen, as many who attempted to attack my point, have... you have no argument to make. You have no position to take other than 1, which is the position Gardner and I have come to a consensus on, that he goes his way thinking that this whole... coming out spectacle that some public figures entertain is doing any good and I ofc, think it's useless in terms of positive PR and can be quite damaging.

Also, your username is not funny and I'm not trying to make fun of it. Your username is utterly stupid. People with big penises don't need to go about announcing that that they have big penises... and likewise, people with critical thinking capacities don't feel the need to go about announcing that to the world. The people who do feel the need to state that they possess a certain quality, whether it be large penises or critical thinking... are the ones who lack that quality.
 
Rainman05 said:
Well you can read the entirety of my post. i think I have addressed quite a few issues that many simpletons, including yourself, think you can make a case against what I said. And without resorting to strawmen, as many who attempted to attack my point, have... you have no argument to make. You have no position to take other than 1, which is the position Gardner and I have come to a consensus on, that he goes his way thinking that this whole... coming out spectacle that some public figures entertain is doing any good and I ofc, think it's useless in terms of positive PR and can be quite damaging.

Also, your username is not funny and I'm not trying to make fun of it. Your username is utterly stupid. People with big penises don't need to go about announcing that that they have big penises... and likewise, people with critical thinking capacities don't feel the need to go about announcing that to the world. The people who do feel the need to state that they possess a certain quality, whether it be large penises or critical thinking... are the ones who lack that quality.
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Do you get this heated under the collar about how heterosexuals are represented at Spring Break festivals? You are not fooling anyone but yourself. You are annoyed by public displays of gay sexuality while you make little fuss about expressions of hetero sexuality. This has nothing to do with what works best for the public image of gays. It is about what works best for you because of your obvious discomfort with gay sexuality.
 
CriticalThought said:
Do you get this heated under the collar about how heterosexuals are represented at Spring Break festivals? You are not fooling anyone but yourself. You are annoyed by public displays of gay sexuality while you make little fuss about expressions of hetero sexuality. This has nothing to do with what works best for the public image of gays. It is about what works best for you because of your obvious discomfort with gay sexuality.
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Ok. This response further proves the deep hypocrisy that divorces you, the person, from the alias you have taken on this forum.

I already addressed the issue of slutification and all that base... pathetic behavior. Read the thread and read my comments. Don't make me repeat myself.
 
Rainman05 said:
Ok. This response further proves the deep hypocrisy that divorces you, the person, from the alias you have taken on this forum.

I already addressed the issue of slutification and all that base... pathetic behavior. Read the thread and read my comments. Don't make me repeat myself.
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You care too much what other people think. You do not want to do anything that could potentially offend anyone and so it offends you when others do not seem to care what others think about how they dress or act. Learn to live and let live.
 
CriticalThought said:
You care too much what other people think. You do not want to do anything that could potentially offend anyone and so it offends you when others do not seem to care what others think about how they dress or act. Learn to live and let live.
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I addressed this mentality and line of thinking twice in this thread.

Here's one of the replies, copy pasted because I'm not going to type a new way to explain this to you just for you, special snowflake.
I said this before. We have to live together, as people, in a cramped space like a city... we have to walk the same roads and eat at the same places and we buy our stuff at the same markets. We cannot live together if we don't adhere to a code of conduct that is good for you, me and everyone.

It is hard to live with people because everyone has their own little quirks. So that's why, when we go out in public, we need to all not get on each others' nerves. I don't need to take **** from you and as a sign of respect, I don't give you **** to deal with from me.
The reason I dress properly and cover my body when I go out is because that's civil. The reason I don't wear ostentatious or abusive or otherwise insulting clothing is because I don't want to be a source of discomfort for other people and I don't want to disrespect other people and I expect as much in return.

If you don't agree with that, then you don't agree with a civilized society and respect among human beings. Respect doesn't mean that I have to take your ****. Respect means we all respect a code of conduct that has proven to be good for everyone.
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Rainman05 said:
I addressed this mentality and line of thinking twice in this thread.

Here's one of the replies, copy pasted because I'm not going to type a new way to explain this to you just for you, special snowflake.
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ROFL. Your definition of a civilized society is nobody doing anything that anyone else could find offensive. You got quite the stick up your butt.
 
CriticalThought said:
ROFL. Your definition of a civilized society is nobody doing anything that anyone else could find offensive. You got quite the stick up your butt.
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No... it's everyone should respect other people when they step out in public and first and foremost, respecting yourself. Dress properly. Act decently as a civilized person should. If you think that going outside with your hairy nipples showing and with a clown face on is the good way to go about expressing yourself, you're going to only find solace among the idiots and halfwits who do the same... and you'll all be sitting in a dark corner crying as to why the world isn't respecting you.

You don't deserve respect if you don't give respect and you don't deserve respect just because you demand it.
Inside your own home, fine, go nuts. Do whatever you want. Dress any way you want. But when you step outside that house and into the public, step out with decency and respect and the world will reciprocate that.

I know this is a hard concept to grasp. Between all these "social justice" brigades and "civil activists" and what naught who are really, just beggars with a fancy name... who do exactly what they are... beg of people to throw onto them the scraps of respect for no good reason... and when you refuse to do that, they insult you. Beggars rely on the charity of others to function in society. Real men and women (of any sexual orientation ) don't, they earn the respect of others and don't beg for people to to treat them with respect or demand that they be treated with respect or they'll bully you by calling you a sexist or a homophobe or whatever. No. Real people with moral integrity and fiber earn respect and step out the door with an offering of respect to the world and their fellow citizens.
 
Rainman05 said:
No... it's everyone should respect other people when they step out in public and first and foremost, respecting yourself. Dress properly. Act decently as a civilized person should. If you think that going outside with your hairy nipples showing and with a clown face on is the good way to go about expressing yourself, you're going to only find solace among the idiots and halfwits who do the same... and you'll all be sitting in a dark corner crying as to why the world isn't respecting you.

You don't deserve respect if you don't give respect and you don't deserve respect just because you demand it.
Inside your own home, fine, go nuts. Do whatever you want. Dress any way you want. But when you step outside that house and into the public, step out with decency and respect and the world will reciprocate that.

I know this is a hard concept to grasp. Between all these "social justice" brigades and "civil activists" and what naught who are really, just beggars with a fancy name... who do exactly what they are... beg of people to throw onto them the scraps of respect for no good reason... and when you refuse to do that, they insult you. Beggars rely on the charity of others to function in society. Real men and women (of any sexual orientation ) don't, they earn the respect of others and don't beg for people to to treat them with respect or demand that they be treated with respect or they'll bully you by calling you a sexist or a homophobe or whatever. No. Real people with moral integrity and fiber earn respect and step out the door with an offering of respect to the world and their fellow citizens.
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Nice podium there. I am sorry the mere existance of bohemians and libertines offends you so.
 
Rainman05 said:
No... it's everyone should respect other people when they step out in public and first and foremost, respecting yourself. Dress properly. Act decently as a civilized person should. If you think that going outside with your hairy nipples showing and with a clown face on is the good way to go about expressing yourself, you're going to only find solace among the idiots and halfwits who do the same... and you'll all be sitting in a dark corner crying as to why the world isn't respecting you.

You don't deserve respect if you don't give respect and you don't deserve respect just because you demand it.
Inside your own home, fine, go nuts. Do whatever you want. Dress any way you want. But when you step outside that house and into the public, step out with decency and respect and the world will reciprocate that.

I know this is a hard concept to grasp. Between all these "social justice" brigades and "civil activists" and what naught who are really, just beggars with a fancy name... who do exactly what they are... beg of people to throw onto them the scraps of respect for no good reason... and when you refuse to do that, they insult you. Beggars rely on the charity of others to function in society. Real men and women (of any sexual orientation ) don't, they earn the respect of others and don't beg for people to to treat them with respect or demand that they be treated with respect or they'll bully you by calling you a sexist or a homophobe or whatever. No. Real people with moral integrity and fiber earn respect and step out the door with an offering of respect to the world and their fellow citizens.
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No. And it is my right to not conform to what you view as "respectful" dress or speech. You don't get to make that determination for everyone else.
 
roguenuke said:
No. And it is my right to not conform to what you view as "respectful" dress or speech. You don't get to make that determination for everyone else.
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That same comment was made by someone else.

I shall give you the same reply I did to him.

You are right, it's not my views which you need to comform to to be respectful or respect worthy in civil society.I didn't decide it. You know who did? All of us. Everyone except you gathered into a big room and we talked it over, came to the conclusion on the evidence that a sensibly dressed society would be better for us all... and then we roll with it. The reason we didn't invite you is because we all knew that you have no valid contributions to make to the issue and would only spew hippy ****. Which btw, even the hippies among us 7bil people who decided this, thought you were waaaay off the rails. Go ask them.
 
Rainman05 said:
First off, this isn't about same sex marriage and I support SSM. Don't make yourself up to be on one side and me on the other because that's not the case. It is because I don't see why sexual orientation should be a hot topic that I think that all this coming out and gay parades are a bad thing and hurting the image of the gay community. So now that we take that strawman out of the way lets talk facts and reality.

Prove to me that it is the coming out statements that have a positive and meaningful impact on making people change their minds about SSM or about gays. I state that it's at best, a blip on the radar from a positive standpoint and the only meaningful impact it can make is a damaging one because it perpetuates the idea that gays are somehow unique and amazing little snowflakes that deserve special consideration. And reasonable people don't like that and don't, as nobody should, center their political stances on sentimental blabbery of some celebrity or another.
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I mentioned far more than SSM, and reality makes it clear that the public's view of homosexuals have been improving rapidly and dramatically which shows that your claims about how the public outings are hurting LGBT's is just a load of BS.
 
Rainman05 said:
And I am not the arbiter of what constitutes a civilized society, society is. And we all came together, talked about it, and decided that wandering around in our undies and with our private parts showing is not a good idea. Sorry you weren't invited to the big talk but we thought it'd be best considering you're only capable of breeding strawmen arguments that hold no water.
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Looks like the joke is on you because when society came together and talked about it, the overwhelming majority not only had no problem with it, they have actively encouraged it.
 
Rainman05 said:
That same comment was made by someone else.

I shall give you the same reply I did to him.

You are right, it's not my views which you need to comform to to be respectful or respect worthy in civil society.I didn't decide it. You know who did? All of us. Everyone except you gathered into a big room and we talked it over, came to the conclusion on the evidence that a sensibly dressed society would be better for us all... and then we roll with it. The reason we didn't invite you is because we all knew that you have no valid contributions to make to the issue and would only spew hippy ****. Which btw, even the hippies among us 7bil people who decided this, thought you were waaaay off the rails. Go ask them.
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Speaking for an entire group of people is always a bad idea.

You live in a country with freedoms, including the freedom to go out in public dressed in a wide variety of ways, including some that you may find disrespectful. Including being able to talk and act to a very large degree in a way that you and/or others may very likely find disrespectful.

Deal with it. You are the one showing your issues, not those who you are trying to demand must act "normal".
 
sangha said:
C'mon twtt. You can't really believe that being disabled is just like being gay?

People can't be fired for being disabled. A landlord can't refuse to rent to them. They can marry.

In a lot of places, that isn't true about LGBT's
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Well, you can't legally fire or refuse housing to the disabled for being disabled, but it happens anyway.

They can marry, depending on what disability category you are. If you're in the wrong category, you won't have protections for getting married.
 
Fiddytree said:
Well, you can't legally fire or refuse housing to the disabled for being disabled, but it happens anyway.

They can marry, depending on what disability category you are. If you're in the wrong category, you can't get married.
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You can't murder people legally either, but it happens anyway. However, the fact that there are penalties, sometimes quite serious, for some things certainly puts them in a category that is qualitatively different than activities which are legal.

As far as marriage being sometimes limited for the disabled, are you referring to people with cognitive challenges?

However, the bigger point is that there are qualitative differences between how the disabled have been treated and LGBT's. This is not to dismiss or diminish the discrimination that the disabled have faced, but merely to point out how twtt's equivalence was shallow.
 
sangha said:
You can't murder people legally either, but it happens anyway. However, the fact that there are penalties, sometimes quite serious, for some things certainly puts them in a category that is qualitatively different than activities which are legal.
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Except people clamor for a murderer to be caught. It does differentiate activity that is legally sanctioned, but de facto dealings are important to consider.

As far as marriage being sometimes limited for the disabled, are you referring to people with cognitive challenges?
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Yes.

However, the bigger point is that there are qualitative differences between how the disabled have been treated and LGBT's. This is not to dismiss or diminish the discrimination that the disabled have faced, but merely to point out how twtt's equivalence was shallow.
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I don't deny that the attempt to take one group's plight or experiences and transpose them onto another is problematic at the very least.
 
herenow1 said:
Lately it seems that everyone who comes out gets a grandiose platform. Someone comes out and it's talked about for days. Many have called them heroes while giving them a virtual standing ovation. I don't care if someone is gay or not, but it just bugs me when people call them heroes or tear others down for having a difference of opinion. The definition of hero for me is someone going into a burning building to save someone, or a person taking a bullet for someone. It's Just starting to seem like this is becoming a bit of an obsession.
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I see it as a move to make homosexuality the new normal. But no matter how hard they try to make it the new norm, there will always be a substantial portion of the public that doesn't see it as normal. That's where it gets ugly with activist groups pushing things like hate speech laws or others willing to trample the rights of another over religious beliefs and other things denying them their 1st Amendment rights because they do not recognize the homosexual lifestyle. Then it becomes a "let me shove it down your throat" ordeal where the one group is going to force you through activist groups and activist judges to force you to comply to their way of thinking. Why does it have to be this way? Because some people are assholes. They just can't let people live in peace.
 
herenow1 said:
Lately it seems that everyone who comes out gets a grandiose platform. Someone comes out and it's talked about for days. Many have called them heroes while giving them a virtual standing ovation. I don't care if someone is gay or not, but it just bugs me when people call them heroes or tear others down for having a difference of opinion. The definition of hero for me is someone going into a burning building to save someone, or a person taking a bullet for someone. It's Just starting to seem like this is becoming a bit of an obsession.
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*Pauses writing while mid sex-scene*

Who's obsessed with sexuality? What? What's going on?

If our country didn't deny people basic things in life like marriage and adoption based on sexuality then it wouldn't actually be a big deal. What we've done, in essence, is make people's sexuality the core central focus of worth and value as humans rather than a personal, private consideration that's between them and theirs. . .and then, after they've been told it matters more than life itself, we judge them when they actually get the message we send.

If people don't want something to be a big deal then they shouldn't make it a big deal to begin with.

*back to writing about sex*
 
Tralfamadore said:
It is courageous to come out in a sports league that is very "masculine" and has historically been a bastion of homophobia. Is it heroic? No. But, I would call it a courageous act.
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I think this is fair. Anymore an actor coming out is not news, nor is it courageous, but a football player is, so it depends.
 
sangha said:
How do you know those men were gay?

Those pictures of presumably straight women do not cause people to want to ban straight marriages, fire straight people, refuse to rent apartments to straight people, etc
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Why do you presume they were straight women? What is it about them that makes you think so as the #1 likely option?
 
herenow1 said:
Lately it seems that everyone who comes out gets a grandiose platform. Someone comes out and it's talked about for days. Many have called them heroes while giving them a virtual standing ovation. I don't care if someone is gay or not, but it just bugs me when people call them heroes or tear others down for having a difference of opinion. The definition of hero for me is someone going into a burning building to save someone, or a person taking a bullet for someone. It's Just starting to seem like this is becoming a bit of an obsession.
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Now, it appears, Austria has come out of the closet at a music contest.
 
herenow1 said:
Lately it seems that everyone who comes out gets a grandiose platform. Someone comes out and it's talked about for days. Many have called them heroes while giving them a virtual standing ovation. I don't care if someone is gay or not, but it just bugs me when people call them heroes or tear others down for having a difference of opinion. The definition of hero for me is someone going into a burning building to save someone, or a person taking a bullet for someone. It's Just starting to seem like this is becoming a bit of an obsession.
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It's funny to me when people refer to prejudice as mere 'difference of opinion'.

In any case, coming out does often take courage because being gay or bisexual still can have huge consequences. Moreover, for many gay kids/teens, public figures who do come out are heroes. Just because they aren't your heroes doesn't invalidate their status as such for other members of the population and it's selfish to act otherwise.

And yes, 'we' - meaning much of the human population - are obsessed with people's sexuality. That's why coming out is still important. Because straight idiots obsessed with other people's sexuality make it very difficult for a lot of people to be authentic.
 
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