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Thread: Are we obsessed with people's sexuality?

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    Re: Are we obsessed with people's sexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The whole idea of announcing that one identifies with any subset of the population, whether that be based on race, gender preference, disability or ethnicity, is odd indeed. To celebrate (elevate?) someone because they have (declare?) some trait about themselves that makes them special is ridiculous. Having one leg makes "normal" life harder, yet we do not have press announcements when someone attains that special status unless they climb a mountain or win a marathon. Noting that a person has accomplished something special is one thing, but simply celebrating their otherwise normal accomplishments because they have some "special" trait is foolish. Does anyone really care if Mary the burger flipper, or Joe the hairdresser is gay (or has one leg)?
    C'mon twtt. You can't really believe that being disabled is just like being gay?

    People can't be fired for being disabled. A landlord can't refuse to rent to them. They can marry.

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    Re: Are we obsessed with people's sexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    With the exception of the eye-****ing (which would be impolite no matter who was doing it), I don't see where anything in your definition of "respectable" that means anything other than "undetectable."
    It's fine that people are gay, but when they turn the dial to eleven it is offsetting. They should focus on being like the rest of us: normal. They don't need to dress as provocatively as Goths, emos, etc to say, "Hey! I'm gay!" They can just as easily say the same thing in a normal voice wearing blue jeans and a button up shirt.

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    Re: Are we obsessed with people's sexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, pictures like that give gays a bad reputation, but pictures like the ones below do not give straight people a bad reputation
    No, those do too. I, like many, don't approve of slutinization of women or women who adore being sluts and slut culture.

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    Re: Are we obsessed with people's sexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Risk murder and kidnapping from the FARC and drug cartels for a shot at Shakira.

    I'll debate it.
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    Re: Are we obsessed with people's sexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I already have.

    You need to be able to comprehend the written word and be able to follow a coherent agument to be able to understand, however.
    No you haven't. It is not necessary. The world would go on just fine if nobody knew who was gay and who was not.

    Please focus on the Word necessary.

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    Re: Are we obsessed with people's sexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    No, those do too. I, like many, don't approve of slutinization of women or women who adore being sluts and slut culture.
    Actually, they don't. Your own response demonstrates that

    The pictures of the straight people cause you to disapprove of those specific straight women who engage in that sort of behavior but you don't generalize that to all straight women. IOW, they don't affect the "general perception" of straight women.

    But you argue that the pictures of those gay men cause straight people to think that all gay men are like the men in the pictures you posted.

    It is the fault of the homosexuals that the general perception about them that they are like this:
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    Re: Are we obsessed with people's sexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Having one leg makes "normal" life harder, yet we do not have press announcements when someone attains that special status unless they climb a mountain or win a marathon. Noting that a person has accomplished something special is one thing, but simply celebrating their otherwise normal accomplishments because they have some "special" trait is foolish. Does anyone really care if Mary the burger flipper, or Joe the hairdresser is gay (or has one leg)?
    Last I checked, the United States didn't have a history of murdering, beating, harassing, waving declamatory signs at, preaching about the sinfulness of, discriminating against or accusing one-legged people (or heck, even legless people) of being child molesters. Do the Boy Scouts of America prohibit one-legged people from being members or Scoutmasters? Do we feel we are entitled to have an opinion about the lifestyle of the one-legged man? Do we even bother to have such an opinion?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Are we obsessed with people's sexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    No you haven't. It is not necessary. The world would go on just fine if nobody knew who was gay and who was not.

    Please focus on the Word necessary.
    It is necessary within the context I laid out.

    If you lack the ability to comprehend the written word,I would say that is your problem,not mine.
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    Re: Are we obsessed with people's sexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Sure -- I'm with you there. They areas damaging to the image of gay people as black thugs are to the African-American community, money grubbing Jews to the Jewish community, Lazy Mexicans for the latino community or snotty, effete French to the image of the French. The difference between a person's innate sexuality and their ethnicity or national origin, however, is that nobody know a person is gay unless they are told, whereas all the others are generally known. Now,there will certainly be bigots abounding just as always, but at least in the case of ethnicity or national origin, people can experience that wide range of behavior to which you alluded. They can see the hard working Mexicans or altruistic Jews, etc. With Gay people, they can't, and so they are more prone to adhering to those stereotypes they CAN see.

    That is why it is so important for people like Sam to come out of the closet. If his announcement created a firestorm, I would say that has more to do with the reaction than his need for attention. Until thereare plenty more like him, I'm sure the announcements will create controversy and attention. When such a time comes when there is no need for such an announcement, there will be no firerstorm.
    Ok.

    So we both agree to the destination of where the public image of the homosexuals should be in order for there to be no more disharmony and such... but we just don't agree on the effect of the big coming out statements from public figures have on reaching that point. You think they're good, I think they're harmful... ah well, to each his own. I have no idea how we can, today, prove that you or I am right so I suggest that we agree to disagree on the effectiveness of the coming out spectacles in harmonizing social tensions.

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    Re: Are we obsessed with people's sexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    It is necessary within the context I laid out.

    If you lack the ability to comprehend the written word,I would say thatis your problem,not mine.
    Your assumption that I am intellectually inferior to you is greatly misplaced.

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