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Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

Who is more afraid? The one who feels he needs a gun, or the one who doesn't?


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Nope, not going to play that game. Your posts insinuated that 80-90% consider people like me extremist

Asking anyone here to back up their claims with evidence is NOT playing a game. it is one of the key parts of debate.

Where did I say that 80 to 90% of Americans consider you an extremist?
 
CC vs OC is just style of dress, nothing more. There was a time women couldn't have a bathing suit shorter than a certain length, and police would walk the beach measuring suits for compliance. This is the same thing.

In fact there was a time concealed carry wasn't allowed at all, only open carry, as a public safety policy. The reasoning was that 1. the public had the right to know if an armed person was in their company, and 2. it was said that someone carrying concealed considered themselves morally superior to others.

Sorry - not buying that line. Shorts versus long pants on a summer day is a style of dress. Open carry is not.

Yes, I realize that the standard has changed. And we need to return to what that standard was before the radicals ambushed the gun issue in the last decade or two.
 
Sorry - not buying that line.
It's not a line. It's just a fact. Do you even carry a gun yourself to know?

The only handgun I own right now is the one given to me by my commander in commemoration of our deployment. When I carry it concealed, the barrel wears a hole in my pants. There's nothing to be intimidated about when I OC to save my jeans. All this about several 'well armed' men in camo flooding the capitol is just your silly hysteria again.
 
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It's not a line. It's just a fact. Do you even carry a gun yourself to know?

The only handgun I own right now is the one given to me by my commander in commemoration of our deployment. When I carry it concealed, the barrel wears a hole in my pants. There's nothing to be intimidated about when I OC to save my jeans. All this about several 'well armed' men in camo flooding the capitol is just your silly hysteria again.

Now I know why the title AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH angered some on the far right.
 
Sorry - not buying that line. Shorts versus long pants on a summer day is a style of dress. Open carry is not.

Yes, I realize that the standard has changed. And we need to return to what that standard was before the radicals ambushed the gun issue in the last decade or two.
You mean when 2A rights were not applicable to the states and anti gun Democrats had created an environment of hoplophobia?
 
Nope, not going to play that game. Your posts insinuated that 80-90% consider people like me extremist

i like this one.....where haymarket stated gun owners and people who support the right, have a "disorder", and don't live in a real world.


I would agree. Its really those things and a form of willful dissociative disorder resulting in living in an alternate reality other then the USA the vast majority live in.
 
Now I know why the title AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH angered some on the far right.
I've never seen it, I wouldn't know. After i forced myself to sit through Bowling for Columbine I decided I'll not watch another Micheal Moor production.
 
If you weren't poor, why the hell did you live in that neighborhood? Why not move somewhere safer?



There's nothing wrong with being prepared but it's much better to live somewhere that you don't have to be prepared for imminent violence. If chronic violence isn't a problem, you don't need to have a gun close at hand, do you?

Home invasions happen in any neighborhood, esp. nicer ones. So do night break-in robberies and rapes. I know you are aware of this.


Again...you agreed with preparation. These home invasions/break-ins are just as common, if not more, than house fires and most reasonable people do fire drills with their families and have plans to escape and meet, etc. They also carry insurance on the home.

What good is calling the police when you can be shot or raped in the time it takes them to get there? 5 minutes? Way too late.
 
For three years I worked in the state capital as chief of staff for a state legislator. A few times each year, well organized armed groups of heavily armed men come to the capital to lobby. When they do so, school groups of children flee the capital on the spot as terrified people are simply disturbed by the appearance of them. Others were called in transit and turned around and went back aborting the education experience that was planned - in some cases for the better part of a year. So the public has been harmed.

I have repeatedly brought up the idea of armed men hostile to a speaker or viewpoint at public meetings that would have an obvious chilling effect upon the citizenry and their representatives. One gun advocate here openly admitted and welcomed such a chilling intimidation of others rights.

I guess parents should teach their kids not to be afraid of guns. As should school boards and the media in general. Those kids arent 'naturally' afraid of guns the way some people are afraid of heights. They were TAUGHT to perceive them in a certain way, much the way you seem to.

Again...you blame the wrong people. And no harm was done, be real. Was all society brain damaged back in the days of the frontier when guns were carried openly, on wagons, on belts, on saddles? No....guns are tools and teaching kids otherwise is **doing them harm**. Dangerous tools to be respected? Yes, just like cars. Are kids terrified of cars? No? Why not? Thousands more of them die every year IN them and run over BY them than shot by guns.

And again.....you are afraid of the baseless. This stuff HASNT HAPPENED. No hostile open carrier has threatened anyone...have they? Did they shoot anyone? The sad thing is, you have duped yourself into forgetting that ANYONE (in many states at least) can still be carrying a gun...you just dont see it!

Talk about 'ostrich.' :doh
 
SO HERE IS THE QUESTION: if the gun lobby and their supporters get their way, do you want to live in an America where openly armed men are commonplace in our streets, in our buildings, in our halls, in our stores, and just about everywhere? Do you want to live in an America where when you yell at a ballplayer on the field somebody with that jersey on a few rows ahead of you stands up, yells back at you to shut up and is wearing a firearm in a clear sign of intimidation? Would it cause you concern and outright fright if you and your family to be eating at a restaurant when two fella's walk in wearing camo with guns on their back and hips and they are clearly not police nor soldiers?

I answered this myself earlier....and you ignored my response.

There are at least 20 states where people could be doing that right now. Open carrying all the time, and almost everywhere. My own state is one of them.

Why arent people doing it? There is no law stopping them.


So again, your claim is completely baseless. Nothing more than hysteria. And again, it also ignores the large numbers of people carrying concealed....just because you cant see it you can convince yourself to be comfortable?

Why the heck should the rest of us be punished because of silly baseless fears of individuals that are *unreasonable*. It is unreasonable to just be able to forget that thousands around you in public are armed because you cant see it, but then fear when the arms are visible. There is right and wrong and it is wrong to shove your fears down others' throats.

Please see my sig, in blue.
 
Sorry - not buying that line. Shorts versus long pants on a summer day is a style of dress. Open carry is not.
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Carrying a firearm is like carrying a cell phone for some people...part of their daily habit. And if their style of clothing makes cc uncomfortable or impossible (to conceal) then it's just a matter of convenience. Certainly not intimidation.

Some states have a stupid law that makes it illegal to 'print' but not open carry. So you can be arrested if someone 'notices' your gun under your clothes but not if you openly carry it. Hypocrisy at its best. So of course those people would OC rather than risk CC under T-shirt and shorts, for example.

See the ridiculous (& I'd say useless) some of the restrictions and laws are against gun owners and carriers? And you think we want to open the door to more people who think garbage like that is 'reasonable?'
 
You mean when 2A rights were not applicable to the states and anti gun Democrats had created an environment of hoplophobia?

nope - not at all what I mean. :roll:
 
i like this one.....where haymarket stated gun owners and people who support the right, have a "disorder", and don't live in a real world.

I really like this one .... Herr Barkmann tries to pretend I was attacking all gun owners when I was only discussing those who cannot tell the difference between the reality of the USA we live in and their self made pretend world.
 
I guess parents should teach their kids not to be afraid of guns. As should school boards and the media in general. Those kids arent 'naturally' afraid of guns the way some people are afraid of heights. They were TAUGHT to perceive them in a certain way, much the way you seem to.

Again...you blame the wrong people. And no harm was done, be real. Was all society brain damaged back in the days of the frontier when guns were carried openly, on wagons, on belts, on saddles? No....guns are tools and teaching kids otherwise is **doing them harm**. Dangerous tools to be respected? Yes, just like cars. Are kids terrified of cars? No? Why not? Thousands more of them die every year IN them and run over BY them than shot by guns.

So first we get some here saying that people have no real right to their own fears and now we have you telling parents what they should teach their kids about guns. Wonderful. :doh:shock:

ANy other control you want to have over people and their lives? :roll:
 
I really like this one .... Herr Barkmann tries to pretend I was attacking all gun owners when I was only discussing those who cannot tell the difference between the reality of the USA we live in and their self made pretend world.


I don't know many-if any-gun owners who live in a pretend world. Gun owners tend to be more realistic and reality based then the pillow headed anti gunners who think the cops will always arrive on time or that they won't ever encounter a violent psychopath.

its funny-most anti gunners I meet won't trust their fellow citizens, their neighbors and coworkers to carry a pistol or own an "assault weapon" but they trust criminals not to kill them and the government to be 100% beneficent
 
So first we get some here saying that people have no real right to their own fears and now we have you telling parents what they should teach their kids about guns. Wonderful. :doh:shock:

ANy other control you want to have over people and their lives? :roll:

Oh you have the right to your own fears. What you don't have a right to do is to restrict my freedoms in order to salve your fears
 
Carrying a firearm is like carrying a cell phone for some people...part of their daily habit. And if their style of clothing makes cc uncomfortable or impossible (to conceal) then it's just a matter of convenience. Certainly not intimidation.

Some states have a stupid law that makes it illegal to 'print' but not open carry. So you can be arrested if someone 'notices' your gun under your clothes but not if you openly carry it. Hypocrisy at its best. So of course those people would OC rather than risk CC under T-shirt and shorts, for example.

See the ridiculous (& I'd say useless) some of the restrictions and laws are against gun owners and carriers? And you think we want to open the door to more people who think garbage like that is 'reasonable?'

Gimme a break already. Life is about choices and I guess somebody who wants top carry will have to decide between the tube top and dazy dukes and carrying with a CCW.
 
Oh you have the right to your own fears. What you don't have a right to do is to restrict my freedoms in order to salve your fears

Nor do your fears causing you or others to have weapons - even lots of weapons - have anything to do with my rights.

But since we are NOT talking about any freedom or right you have. So your post is irrelevant to my comment.
 
I don't know many-if any-gun owners who live in a pretend world. Gun owners tend to be more realistic and reality based then the pillow headed anti gunners who think the cops will always arrive on time or that they won't ever encounter a violent psychopath.

its funny-most anti gunners I meet won't trust their fellow citizens, their neighbors and coworkers to carry a pistol or own an "assault weapon" but they trust criminals not to kill them and the government to be 100% beneficent

That makes no sense. Quote for us the post of one person who says just what you claim - that people trust criminals not to kill them. Lets see it.
 
So who, really, is the one who's more afraid? The one who feels he needs a gun for self-defense, or the one who doesn't feel he needs a gun for self-defense?
The one who are afraid of people simply because they possess guns.
 
Nor do your fears causing you or others to have weapons - even lots of weapons - have anything to do with my rights.

But since we are NOT talking about any freedom or right you have. So your post is irrelevant to my comment.

I have lots of weapons because I am a competitive shooter who enjoys competing-successfully in these sports

1) ISU skeet
2) ISU trap
3) NSSA Skeet
4) NSCA sporting clays
5) Steel
6) Pins
7) USPSA-IPSC
8) "falling plates
9) Three position Small bore
10) Bianchi Cup style events
11) GSSF League

among others. I only keep a few weapons for self defense-mainly pistols that I change depend on season and attire, one shotgun and one rifle
 
There's no doubt I keep a gun in my house because I'm afraid a disturbed person will break in with a gun themselves.

If the US severely restricted gun ownership I wouldn't feel the need to own one.
 
I have lots of weapons because I am a competitive shooter who enjoys competing-successfully in these sports

1) ISU skeet
2) ISU trap
3) NSSA Skeet
4) NSCA sporting clays
5) Steel
6) Pins
7) USPSA-IPSC
8) "falling plates
9) Three position Small bore
10) Bianchi Cup style events
11) GSSF League

among others. I only keep a few weapons for self defense-mainly pistols that I change depend on season and attire, one shotgun and one rifle

Terrific. And a fear of crime .... and for some a fear of the government .... and for some of fear of The Other are all fears which play into gun ownership at the levels we see in the USA today.
 
I really like this one .... Herr Barkmann tries to pretend I was attacking all gun owners when I was only discussing those who cannot tell the difference between the reality of the USA we live in and their self made pretend world.


who are THOSE?.....it must be gun owners;)
 
Loaded question.
#1 should read "The person who feels he needs a gun is the one who's more naive."
#2 should read "The person who does NOT feel he needs a gun is the one who's more naive."

being "afraid" is the dumbest argument I ever heard. Worst poll I've read in my experience on these forums. You never NEED a gun, until you do. Ponder that logic for a minute OP.
 
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