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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It's a reasonably potent caliber (especially loaded with +P hydroshok or glazer slugs) with low recoil... and semi-auto pistols have lighter trigger pull than revolvers. I'd suggest a DAO (double action only) pistol so you don't have to fool around with a manual safety lever or cocking it or anything. Best wishes and PM me if you have any questions I can help you with (I am a shooting instructor and ex-cop).
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It's a reasonably potent caliber (especially loaded with +P hydroshok or glazer slugs) with low recoil... and semi-auto pistols have lighter trigger pull than revolvers. I'd suggest a DAO (double action only) pistol so you don't have to fool around with a manual safety lever or cocking it or anything. Best wishes and PM me if you have any questions I can help you with (I am a shooting instructor and ex-cop).
    one problem-light guns with long trigger pulls are not conducive to accuracy. My wife has several Sig 238s put they are single action (cocked and locked( and are pretty easy to shoot. GIve her my SW bodyguard with a 12 pound DAO on trigger-the accuracy deteriorates



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    What I meant was that its part of a fantasy that they live in a dangerous enough word to justify being armed all the time, which isn't the case for most people, but danger is manly and cool


    I think each individual, who is responsible enough to go out and get a CCW permit, gets to make that decision (about whether they need to carry, for whatever reason), for themselves.

    It's called liberty and self-determination. Some people are quite fond of it.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    one problem-light guns with long trigger pulls are not conducive to accuracy. My wife has several Sig 238s put they are single action (cocked and locked( and are pretty easy to shoot. GIve her my SW bodyguard with a 12 pound DAO on trigger-the accuracy deteriorates

    The pistol I gave my mother was a small semiauto, DAO with no manual safety or hammer. The trigger pull on it was very light compared to any revolver. She had no problem shooting a full magazine of K-zone hits at 7 yards, despite being 75yo at the time and having arthritis.

    She was used to revolvers and would not have been comfortable with cocked-and-locked, so I gave her something similar to what she was familiar with.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    What I meant was that its part of a fantasy that they live in a dangerous enough word to justify being armed all the time, which isn't the case for most people, but danger is manly and cool
    There is a saying among cc'ers, "If I thought I needed a gun, I wouldnt go there.'

    The firearm or any other self-defense preparation is for everything you cant anticipate or expect.

    It's the same reason I carry a cell phone...every day, without even thinking about it, but at first I had to actively remind and make myself bring it. It's mostly for emergencies...not that I ever knew if I'd need it but darn, if I didnt!

    Now I also use it for connecting with people when we have plans and Web info but I hate talking on it so it's not for 'socializing,' it's a tool to be used as needed.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Those who do choose to own guns are typically (from my experience which is EXTENSIVE) motivated by the following... roughly in this order of commonality...

    1. They grew up in a gun-owning household (and/or culture) and consider it a norm, and consider guns to be useful for various purposes.
    2. They are hunters or engaged in shooting sports.
    3. They are aware that their area is not safe, or that "safe areas" are largely an illusion, and wish to be armed to protect themselves against armed criminals.
    4. They're paranoid and fearful.

    Notice only the fourth and last (and least common) motivator is fearful or irrational. Frankly I have known several hundred gun owners and shooting enthusiasts and hardly any of them qualified as primarily motivated by fear.


    Just trying to bring this thread back into the realm of reality...

    None of the above for me! My entry into the gun carrying/owning world was none of those and my competitive shooting came quite a bit after. (Ok, perhaps a mild version of #3...it just seemed like the smart thing to do, no real threat or fear at all.)
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    None of the above for me! My entry into the gun carrying/owning world was none of those and my competitive shooting came quite a bit after.

    It wasn't meant to be an exhaustive list. So what was it then? Curiosity...

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Why? There are more regulations on driving and the mfr, registration, use, safety, and licensing of a vehicle then anything else we own. While it will not prevent people from being bad drivers, it has reduced vehicle accidents and the severity of injuries caused by vehicle accidents.

    There are almost no regulations on guns. Hell, a small child could buy a gun.... But it would be almost impossible for them to buy a car.
    It may have reduced them but they are still terribly high so who is to say they are 'effective?' Certain types, related to personal responsibilty, are on the rise, specifically cell phone use and texting. Road rage is also a growing hazard and not seemingly affected by 'regulations.'

    And no, a small child cannot legally OWN a gun so that's BS.

    What regulations on guns do you think would contribute to **public safety?**
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It wasn't meant to be an exhaustive list. So what was it then? Curiosity...
    It just seemed like a good idea, like additional home security, when I moved out to my rural property.

    I took a ladies gun class and liked it. If I hadnt liked it, I wouldnt have bothered, but I liked shooting.

    The class opened the door to cc'ing and again, it just seemed like a good idea. I used to live in metro NJ, was an unarmed park ranger in Central Park in Manhattan. Never really felt the need for a gun or fearful. I patrolled CP on foot, unarmed.

    But once introduced to guns and enjoying shooting, it seemed like a non-starter...why not? Just one more option. I was always aware of the dangers out there.....so one more tool was welcomed.

    btw, now that I am in the competitive arena, so to speak, I talk to loads of people, esp. women, about *carrying* and again, your list really is not as comprehensive as you think.

    In general I believe most cc'ers are private about it...but being involved in the sport does open up conversation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    The question's easy - there's many people out there who feel that they need a gun (or guns), usually for self-defense, but sometimes because they believe the government just might come knocking to confiscate their guns.

    On the other hand, there's people out there (like myself) who simply don't want a gun, who doesn't have a need for one.

    So who, really, is the one who's more afraid? The one who feels he needs a gun for self-defense, or the one who doesn't feel he needs a gun for self-defense?
    Owning a gun isn't about controlling fear it's about being able to protect yourself and your family should the situation arise.

    I hope you never need a gun, but if you ever do need it and don't have it you'll sure as hell regret your decision not to be prepared.
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