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  • The person who feels he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Very understandable...especially if you're living alone.

    Please understand, I've never been against gun ownership by law-abiding (and sane) citizens. But it's silly to not have a system to track gun ownership in order to keep them out of the hands of felons, sociopaths, sex predators, terrorists, and psychopaths. It's even sillier to oppose the sale of "smart guns" that allow only the owner to be able to use those guns - any parent should be strongly for such weapons!

    We have a system, NICS... it doesn't work very well, because (surprise!) criminals find ways around the law.

    As for smartguns, if you want one buy one... most of us don't care but we're concerned because we KNOW some one on the other side will want to make it mandatory, despite its shortcomings.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Very understandable...especially if you're living alone.

    Please understand, I've never been against gun ownership by law-abiding (and sane) citizens. But it's silly to not have a system to track gun ownership in order to keep them out of the hands of felons, sociopaths, sex predators, terrorists, and psychopaths. It's even sillier to oppose the sale of "smart guns" that allow only the owner to be able to use those guns - any parent should be strongly for such weapons!
    I wouldn't be. Then again, if I still owned guns, they'd be locked up in a gun safe so it wouldn't matter. I think people who have them in every room in the house are idiots. I'm cool with gun registration, I think people who are paranoid about the government are also idiots, but it's not going to be easy to do that because of the number of guns in the wild already that are not registered. There isn't any rational way to put the horse back in the barn at this point.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    We have a system, NICS... it doesn't work very well, because (surprise!) criminals find ways around the law.

    As for smartguns, if you want one buy one... most of us don't care but we're concerned because we KNOW some one on the other side will want to make it mandatory, despite its shortcomings.
    Problem is, your side is boycotting gun stores that try to sell them...all because y'all ASSUME that somehow we're going to make the doggone things mandatory...just like y'all ASSUME that gun registration will somehow automatically turn us into Nazi Germany, never mind that no other first-world nation has done so even though they all require gun registration.

    How many kids will die because they find guns they can play with, because the gun store owner was not allowed by the Right to sell the smart guns that would keep the kids from being able to fire those weapons?
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Problem is, your side is boycotting gun stores that try to sell them...all because y'all ASSUME that somehow we're going to make the doggone things mandatory...just like y'all ASSUME that gun registration will somehow automatically turn us into Nazi Germany, never mind that no other first-world nation has done so even though they all require gun registration.

    How many kids will die because they find guns they can play with, because the gun store owner was not allowed by the Right to sell the smart guns that would keep the kids from being able to fire those weapons?

    The gun store owner can sell them; legal right to do so. The people who hate the technology can boycott him if they want; legal right to do so.

    Would I boycott my favorite FFL for selling these so-called "smart guns"? No. But I understand why some are freaking out... after Feinstein's insane omnibus "AWB" proposal last yr I doubt not someone will soon be proposing mandatory smart guns. Hell if I'm not mistaken Gore was pushing for the development of "smart gun" tech and making it mandatory a decade ago, already.

    There's a reason why we tend to assume a kick is coming... because we've seen it over and over.

    Registration does tend to lead to confiscation. It happened in Australia (wide classes of semi-auto firearms and other repeating rifles), it is happening in California. Just because it isn't ALL firearms being confiscated doesn't mean it isn't confiscation.

    Like many gun owners, I am not especially opposed to registration or universal background checks per se in and of themselves.... but we've seen demonstrated and proven, over and over again, that it is NEVER "okay just this, then we'll stop". Every step is a stepping stone to the next step, for the anti-gun crowd. Compromise and give them one thing, they almost immediately start agitating for the next item on their agenda, the next restriction.

    We've see enough of that, that we're no longer interested in compromising or giving up any more steps, knowing that it will just be used for the next step.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Fear? Why fear?

    look...bad **** happens. It happens millions of times every year to good people. There are bad people out there. If you arent AWARE of that you are foolish. If you think someone else is responsible for your own safety and well being, you are a victim in waiting. owning and carrying a firearm doesnt make you brave. Not carrying one doesnt make you weak.

    If you are playing a sport, you scout and prep for your opponent as best as you can prior to the contest. Avoiding violent crime...no different.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    I'm reminded of the story...

    A cop pulls over a little old lady for having a busted taillight. He asks her as part of the stop whether she has any firearms in the car.

    "Well," the grey-haired grandmother says,"... I do yes. There's my .38 Smith Airweight in my purse, and my Colt Custom Combat Long-slide .45 in my glovebox. Oh, yes, and in the trunk I have my Remington 870 pump shotgun, and my AR-15 along with a few loaded 30 round magazines."

    The cop was taken aback by the old lady's arsenal, and said "Ma'am, I have to ask you... what is it you are so afraid of??"

    The little old lady's eyes lit up and she smiled broadly as she said: "Not one damn thing, Officer."

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    A lot of people don't carry because of fear, they carry because they think its manly

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    A lot of people don't carry because of fear, they carry because they think its manly

    Oddly enough I've yet to meet such a person, despite having met hundreds of CCWers. Most of them I've met carry because they think it is a good precaution against violent crime.


    The "concealed" part kind of takes a lot of the braggadocio out of it, really... since if you're doing it right nobody knows... and if you're smart you don't go around telling people either.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Oddly enough I've yet to meet such a person, despite having met hundreds of CCWers. Most of them I've met carry because they think it is a good precaution against violent crime.


    The "concealed" part kind of takes a lot of the braggadocio out of it, really... since if you're doing it right nobody knows... and if you're smart you don't go around telling people either.
    What I meant was that its part of a fantasy that they live in a dangerous enough word to justify being armed all the time, which isn't the case for most people, but danger is manly and cool

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    The question's easy - there's many people out there who feel that they need a gun (or guns), usually for self-defense, but sometimes because they believe the government just might come knocking to confiscate their guns.

    On the other hand, there's people out there (like myself) who simply don't want a gun, who doesn't have a need for one.

    So who, really, is the one who's more afraid? The one who feels he needs a gun for self-defense, or the one who doesn't feel he needs a gun for self-defense?
    Not a very thoughtful question, I'm sorry to say. The decision to carry a weapon is a situational consideration. For most of my life I have not carried a weapon. On some occasions I chose to be armed, a couple of times very heavily. During a couple of tours of duty I had a 12 gauge shotgun within reach at my bed each night. Etc., etc. A firearm is a tool. If it suits the work at hand then you should have one.
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