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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Just remember not to bring a knife to a gun fight...



    Interesting how some gun haters disparage with religious references yet deny the existence of God in almost the same breath.



    You mean people with a different perspective than you?





    The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The Cornerstone of Inalienable Rights

    Glad I could be of assistance.


    There are solid foundational reasons for anyone who is a theist to call certain rights "God-given", particularly the classical trio, "life, liberty and property".


    Self-defense is defense of one's life, liberty and property against the wrongful initiation of force by another.

    In nature, everything that lives defends itself when attacked as best it can. Fast animals run away; sneaky animals hide; tough animals fight. Even not-so-tough animals fight when they cannot escape otherwise.

    Clearly it is also instinctive in humans to fight or flee when someone initiates force against them. Clearly also it is natural and correct to do so, by almost any reasonable moral standard, when someone wrongfully tries to take your life or do terrible things to your body.

    If you believe God made the world and all life, then it is natural to view self-defense as a God-given right.

    In the modern world, guns are the most effective overall tool for self-defense. This is doubly true when criminals tend to go armed and are often violent in pursuit of their goals. Therefore guns are an important, if not essential, part of the fundamental right of self-defense.

    Not to mention enshrined in the 2a in recognition and support of this truth.



    Someone is sure to bring up "turn the other cheek" and 'thou shalt not kill'. I'll address those now.

    In the day in which this was written, a blow with the hand on the cheek was a punishment delivered by a person of superior status to a person of inferior status, ie master to slave... between two men of equal status, it was an insult and a provocation to combat. As such, this references not responding to insults or provocations rather than to actual violence... notice it does NOT say "if any man wishes to ram a spear through your guts and then rape your wife, stand still and let him".... er, no.

    "Thou shalt not kill" is understood by scholars of Hebrew and Judaism to mean unjust killing, not killing in all circumstances, and Christian scholars almost universally agree this is correct. Also, Hermaneutics (interpretation) requires a holistic scriptural approach, which quickly reveals there are many exceptions to the literal translation. "Thou shalt not murder" would be more accurate... murder, as in killing unjustly/unlawfully.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I'm not the one who said it did. *shrugs*

    Is it really that hard to pay attention to a conversation? Or is it just easier to throw out strawman fallacies than address what's being said with reason and logic?
    Only with our bodies.

    No, because God didn't craft our hand into the shape of a handgun. Guns are a man made invention.
    Now you're just being silly.

    Weapons likely predate controlled fire as one of the primary tools man has used to sustain the species. Heck, they likely predate the use of clothing. The development and improvement of weapons has been a constant in the history of Homo Sapien and their use has ALWAYS been a for combination of obtaining sustenance, personal protection and aggression. That hasn't changed since the days of sticks and rocks and it never will change.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    IMO, the person who "feels he does NOT need a gun" is probably operating from one of the following motivations... roughly in this order of commonality...

    1. Believes he lives in a "safe area" and has no need of a gun.
    2. Has a political, social or philosophical belief against civilian gun ownership.
    3. Is simply unfamiliar with guns and unaccustomed to gun ownership and feels no inclination to own one.
    4. Has an irrational fear of guns based in ignorance or hoplophobia.

    Note that only the last option actually involves "fear".


    Those who do choose to own guns are typically (from my experience which is EXTENSIVE) motivated by the following... roughly in this order of commonality...

    1. They grew up in a gun-owning household (and/or culture) and consider it a norm, and consider guns to be useful for various purposes.
    2. They are hunters or engaged in shooting sports.
    3. They are aware that their area is not safe, or that "safe areas" are largely an illusion, and wish to be armed to protect themselves against armed criminals.
    4. They're paranoid and fearful.

    Notice only the fourth and last (and least common) motivator is fearful or irrational. Frankly I have known several hundred gun owners and shooting enthusiasts and hardly any of them qualified as primarily motivated by fear.


    Just trying to bring this thread back into the realm of reality...

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    It's the person who feels they do not need a gun but has one just in case.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Only with our bodies.
    Than you are a luddite extremist?

    You're against medicine, vaccines, and other forms of health care too I suppose? For what is a a cold or disease, a virus or bacteria, but simply one organism attacking another(in this case us)? and what are medicines, vaccines, et al but tools to aid in the preservation of life, to aid in our self defense? Exactly like a firearm. A tool to preserve life.



    No, because God didn't craft our hand into the shape of a handgun. Guns are a man made invention.
    He did craft our minds to invent them therefore as a product of our minds, our creation is an extension of ourselves, as we are an extension of our Creator...

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    The question's easy - there's many people out there who feel that they need a gun (or guns), usually for self-defense, but sometimes because they believe the government just might come knocking to confiscate their guns.

    On the other hand, there's people out there (like myself) who simply don't want a gun, who doesn't have a need for one.

    So who, really, is the one who's more afraid? The one who feels he needs a gun for self-defense, or the one who doesn't feel he needs a gun for self-defense?
    I don't currently own a gun, but sometimes I do feel I need one. My house was recently burglarized and ever since that happened I feel uneasy, especially at night. I'll decide soon. My grandson says he'll take me to the gun range for shooting lessons.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda1858 View Post
    I don't currently own a gun, but sometimes I do feel I need one. My house was recently burglarized and ever since that happened I feel uneasy, especially at night. I'll decide soon. My grandson says he'll take me to the gun range for shooting lessons.


    Good grandson!

    After my father passed, my Mom insisted on living at her home alone. We went out to my backyard range to shoot and discovered that she had serious trouble pulling the trigger on Dad's old Smith and Wesson revolver. I swapped her one my little automatics, a .380, and the lighter trigger pull agreed with her greatly... in fact she went from barely scaring the target to drilling out the center, so I told her "you keep that as long as you want it".

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Good grandson!

    After my father passed, my Mom insisted on living at her home alone. We went out to my backyard range to shoot and discovered that she had serious trouble pulling the trigger on Dad's old Smith and Wesson revolver. I swapped her one my little automatics, a .380, and the lighter trigger pull agreed with her greatly... in fact she went from barely scaring the target to drilling out the center, so I told her "you keep that as long as you want it".
    Thank you. I'll remember this---.380
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda1858 View Post
    Thank you. I'll remember this---.380

    It's a reasonably potent caliber (especially loaded with +P hydroshok or glazer slugs) with low recoil... and semi-auto pistols have lighter trigger pull than revolvers. I'd suggest a DAO (double action only) pistol so you don't have to fool around with a manual safety lever or cocking it or anything. Best wishes and PM me if you have any questions I can help you with (I am a shooting instructor and ex-cop).

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda1858 View Post
    I don't currently own a gun, but sometimes I do feel I need one. My house was recently burglarized and ever since that happened I feel uneasy, especially at night. I'll decide soon. My grandson says he'll take me to the gun range for shooting lessons.
    Very understandable...especially if you're living alone.

    Please understand, I've never been against gun ownership by law-abiding (and sane) citizens. But it's silly to not have a system to track gun ownership in order to keep them out of the hands of felons, sociopaths, sex predators, terrorists, and psychopaths. It's even sillier to oppose the sale of "smart guns" that allow only the owner to be able to use those guns - any parent should be strongly for such weapons!
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