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  • The person who feels he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

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  • The person who does NOT feel he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    What is the matter with teaching your children about guns and gun safety?
    There is nothing at all wrong with teaching kids about guns and gun safety if you are going to own guns and have them in the home. I encourage it. When I taught government for 33 years I would make it part of the course on the Second Amendment to make a pitch for kids to take classes offered by the NRA if they wanted to use a gun or there were guns in the home.

    My comment was about people who do not have guns in the home and was regarding others telling those people what they should be teaching their children about guns.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    no you don't

    if you did we wouldn't get claims that Article I Sec 8 intended federal gun control or the incredibly pathetic argument that "shall not be infringed" was intended to allow infringement

    you like the fact FDR just made a federal power up

    AND I NOTE you have never even attempted to establish that the words of the commerce clause actually said firearms regulation in light of the 2A and the 10A more than 130 YEARS after that Clause was written


    The best you did was allude TO OTHER PARTS Of Sec 8 to justify gun control but that is specious since it was the CC that FDR used


    and come on-claiming you follow the actual language is a gut buster.

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    My so called "pathetic argument" that the Constitution allows power over guns has been accepted by every legislator who ever voted yes on a piece of gun control legislation.
    My "pathetic argument" has been accepted by every president who advocated for gun laws or signed them. And that includes Ronald Reagan.
    And my "pathetic argument" has been accepted by every judge and justice who upheld such laws in trials and appeals.

    Apparently they did not find it "pathetic" in any way shape or form. Your argument - on the other hand - that Congress does NOT have those powers seems to have been found wanting.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There is nothing at all wrong with teaching kids about guns and gun safety if you are going to own guns and have them in the home. I encourage it. When I taught government for 33 years I would make it part of the course on the Second Amendment to make a pitch for kids to take classes offered by the NRA if they wanted to use a gun or there were guns in the home.

    My comment was about people who do not have guns in the home and was regarding others telling those people what they should be teaching their children about guns.
    Every one should know gun safety, you never know when your child may go to a friends home where a gun is present.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I'm not that paranoid.
    no... i would say you are just foolish.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Every one should know gun safety, you never know when your child may go to a friends home where a gun is present.
    That is a good point.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    only someone completely unaware of laws knows that registration doesn't apply to such people and we already have an instant BGC in place.

    registration only harasses honest people. the USSC ruled those who cannot legally own guns cannot be forced to incriminate themselves by registration

    so why do you support a law that cannot be used against criminals and is championed by every group that wants to ban or confiscate guns.

    You are parroting all the anti gun arguments and you wonder why some think you are anti gun?
    So you support protecting the ability of gun-runners to continue to run guns, huh? Y'see, guy, when guns can't be tracked back to who illegally sold them, the ATF can't stop the gun-runners. Your fear of gun registration is completely irrational. Y'all like to point to Switzerland and Israel as bastions of freedom for gun owners - but 100% of gun are registered there, and as a result they have FAR less of a problem with people illegally selling guns. What you're not getting is that the gun manufacturers know that as long as there's no gun registration, there's more gun-running (which means they sell more guns) and more crime and fear (which means they sell more guns). You're being USED by the gun manufacturers to protect their revenue stream. It was never about 2A rights to them - it's always been about money.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    I don't... I own guns... and know how to use them.
    Guy, it does not matter how many of what kind of firearms you have, nor does it matter how skilled you are at using them - if the other guy gets the drop on you, you're done. And you know it.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    The question's easy - there's many people out there who feel that they need a gun (or guns), usually for self-defense, but sometimes because they believe the government just might come knocking to confiscate their guns.

    On the other hand, there's people out there (like myself) who simply don't want a gun, who doesn't have a need for one.

    So who, really, is the one who's more afraid? The one who feels he needs a gun for self-defense, or the one who doesn't feel he needs a gun for self-defense?
    Based on the parameters you set it is impossible to say. Gun ownership isn't really an indication of being scared or not scared. Neither is not owning one. The only thing owning/not owning a gun can tell you is whether or not a person owns a gun.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What? I don't want convicted criminals to be free to prey on folks at all. Why should everyone else have to play the high user fee game to buy/carry guns so that known extremely dangerous folks can roam about freely? Does registering cars keep criminals from using them?
    What does registering cars do? Perhaps you should go ask a detective about whether it helps them to be able to be able to look at a VIN and be able to tell who bought it, who owned it, who sold it. Not only that, but without vehicle registration, if someone steals a car, how can a cop tell if that car's stolen? Unless there's some kind of visual evidence that the guy stole the car, he'll be able to stand up in court and say, "that's my car - prove I stole it!" And in most cases, without other hard evidence that that car was the victim's car, the perp will walk since his guilt won't be able to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Which btw is what they can pretty much do now with guns.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no... i would say you are just foolish.
    Some might say that....the reality is, I am quite comfortable, have never had an issue with my house in the 25 years that I have lived in Los Angeles. The reality is.....most people are good people. The odds on a person being a victim of crime are actually quite low. I see no need to hide behind bars and locks. If someone "breaks" into my house....the most they are going to get is maybe a computer or a TV. I don't have a lot of jewelry and other expensive things. Maybe if I did....I might feel differently.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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