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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    All those who voted yes... Answer me this...

    I have a fire alarm in my home. Is it because I am afraid? I have locks on my doors, is it because I am afraid? I have an umbrella because I don't want to get wet, not because I am afraid to get wet. The logic put forth by the OP is ridicules and defies logic.

    To all those who voted yes...

    You are the ones who seem to be afraid... Of guns, period.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the Miller decision was one of the great failures of the FDR court. Miller won at the trial level-the government appealed but Miller didn't appear before the USSC. The court should have remanded the case back to the trial court to make a RECORD but instead they made the incredibly idiotic finding that sawed off shotguns had no militia purpose. the remand never took place because Miller died before it could happen so a record was never made which would have proven such weapons did have military utility or militia usage. Why was this idiotic-it was because the duty was on the Government to have produced evidence at the trial court of such a "fact" which was never done. Rather the USSC accepted at argument (where only one side was present) the government argument that had no support in the record.

    the Court never really addressed whether the government actually had the power to so regulate small arms


    so a cowardly CJ who caved denied he was a coward who caved

    color me shocked

    I want you to argue that FDR's creation of this federal power was consistent with either the language of the CC or the intent of the founders
    None of that trivia means anything to me next to the actual decision and its effect.

    You often - and others on the right do this also here - talk about "the intent of the Founders". It is as if the personal musings of an individual taken from incomplete papers can somehow someway countermand or overrule the actual document given to us by 55 people acting in concert and then ratified by the states. Its a game not worth playing because it gets us nowhere. It reminds me of that science fiction short story HISTORY LESSON by Arthur C. Clarke where they discover a Disney cartoon reel in the future and then extrapolate all about this civilization and the people who lived there using it as evidence. And that is history.

    http://hermiene.net/short-stories/history_lesson.html

    No - I will stick with the actual document and the actual words given to us as the law of the land and leave the game of intent to those who somehow get their jollies in playing it even though its a dead end exercise to nowhere.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    All those who voted yes... Answer me this...

    I have a fire alarm in my home. Is it because I am afraid? I have locks on my doors, is it because I am afraid? I have an umbrella because I don't want to get wet, not because I am afraid to get wet. The logic put forth by the OP is ridicules and defies logic.

    To all those who voted yes...

    You are the ones who seem to be afraid... Of guns, period.
    Yes. You could well be afraid of fire and death- thus the alarm. Yes, you could well be afraid of crime and death.

    Fear is indeed a very powerful and universal motivator.

    The conceit that gun supporters are these big bad macho he men who feel no fear is simply a denial of reality as well as a self given pat on their own back.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Let me challenge you people who have this complex about guns compensating for penis size. Let me see you stop a burglar with your penis, then get back to me.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    In that case, the public harmed itself through idiocy.
    aha - blame the victim! Got it. I guess its inconceivable that hundreds of children visiting their states capitol would be scared seeing lots of armed men roaming about after the events of Sandy Hook were still raw and fresh. Silly children.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    there you go.
    There you go with what exactly? Your post reproducing an argument from me failed completely and utterly to establish anything other than me telling the truth which you are powerless to refute.

    here was your accusation in 459 against me

    You just lie about powers the constitution grants.
    So tell us please - in the post you reproduced from me - where was the LIE ABOUT POWERS THE CONSTITUTION GRANTS. Because you failed to state any.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    aha - blame the victim! Got it
    the students were the victims. But the perpetrators were the teachers.

    I guess its inconceivable that hundreds of children visiting their states capitol would be scared seeing lots of armed men roaming about after the events of Sandy Hook were still raw and fresh.
    Ah. That must be why we took all the police off the streets and out of the capital at the same time, right? We wouldn't want the sight of a gun to send an 8 year old into a Vietnam flashback or something.





    However, I appreciate you being so honest and upfront about the correct answer to the poll in the OP. As you so clearly point out, it is the person without the gun who is most afraid.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes. You could well be afraid of fire and death- thus the alarm. Yes, you could well be afraid of crime and death.
    That is true, but nonsense as well. The VAST majority of people do not have a fire alarm because they fear death or fire. Most don't even think it will happen to them. It is a precaution. It has nothing to do with fear and everything to do with preparedness. Sort of like we have fireman, we should get rid of fire extinguishers? So everyone who has a fire extinguisher has a fear of fire or death?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Fear is indeed a very powerful and universal motivator.
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The conceit that gun supporters are these big bad macho he men who feel no fear is simply a denial of reality as well as a self given pat on their own back.
    Just like the stereotype of gun grabbers who are limp wristed pansy boys who are afraid of guns because their mommy did not give them enough attention as babies. I mean since we are using blanket generalizations that are mostly lies.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the students were the victims. But the perpetrators were the teachers.



    Ah. That must be why we took all the police off the streets and out of the capital at the same time, right? We wouldn't want the sight of a gun to send an 8 year old into a Vietnam flashback or something.





    However, I appreciate you being so honest and upfront about the correct answer to the poll in the OP. As you so clearly point out, it is the person without the gun who is most afraid.
    You miss the point. It is the teachers job to protect and look out for those children. And seeing kids being afraid of armed men so soon after the events of Sandy Hook was cause to withdraw them from the area and end their field trip. And a bunch of guys trying to strut their manhood in front of the world and playing GI Joe were to blame.

    Kids know the difference betwen cops or soldiers and armed civillians. Its easy to tell. give them more credit than what you seem to be doing.

    Fear does indeed motivate lots of gun purchases and carrying. Why be in denial about that? Does it go against the macho he man image some want to craft for gun owners?
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    That is true, but nonsense as well. The VAST majority of people do not have a fire alarm because they fear death or fire. Most don't even think it will happen to them. It is a precaution. It has nothing to do with fear and everything to do with preparedness. Sort of like we have fireman, we should get rid of fire extinguishers? So everyone who has a fire extinguisher has a fear of fire or death?



    Yes.


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