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  • The person who feels he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

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  • The person who does NOT feel he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Ah. Since I've stated time and time again that I have zero problem with law-abiding citizens being able to own guns, that's silly?
    whatever you say Glen



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If you can put the personal insults on hold for minute, feel free to quote me to back up your claims.
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    Its the same thing we have discussed many previous times. It has not changed.
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    so he says without benefit of example to back up his talk.
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    What is a "gun trembler"? Is that a person with a shaky hand with a firearm in their possession?

    By all means please present the law supporting your claims. My copy of the US Constitution lists several powers of Congress in the area of firearms that you apparently do not have in yours. We disagree all the time on this Turtle. All the time. You also disagree with the federal government and with many laws and Court decisions in this area.

    So having said that - and meaning no disrespect to you as a person - why should I believe anything you say on this since you have presented your opinion to me many many many times before as law and it was obviously not true then? For example, the Constitiution says the Congress shall have the power to regulate, arm and discipline the militia. And we know from law that all able bodied persons are in the militia. But your position is that Congress can do no such thing.

    So again - no disrespect to you as a person - but why should I believe you on this when most of these things come down to an interpretation of the law that is NOT CUT AND DRY and are areas which even attorneys and legal experts disagree on?

    You are an attorney. I am not. So as a trained attorney please tell me something....... if a state declares some behavior as a right and the federal constitution does not recognize that behavior as a right - is that right and the exercise of that right limited to the residents of that state and only within that state and is NOT considered their right as an American but as a resident of that state?

    I am asking you to get your trained professional opinion based on current law.
    there you go.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    Well lets look at history...

    Every native population who did not have gun's during the colonial period... lost... badly. In fact the only time a native army had a victory was at Islawanda, and they paid for that later. So when it comes down to it, I would rather have the gun based on history and human nature. Why would I settle for less than the best survival tool?
    You're not really familiar with the story of Thanksgiving, are you?

    PS I know you are not talking about military action. I feel it is relevant to the overall, not necessarily in response to just hunting, but survival as a whole.
    Huh?

    Yep. Traditional hunters with no experience do it every day. We are not talking snipers here, but when you are hiding from animals... You still need some skill... Or a tree stand, lol.
    Guy, tree stands and a gun are nice to have...but they're not a "need". Please learn the difference between "nice to have" and "need".

    Only if you know the local flora and fauna. I absolutely do not agree. With just a simple .22 survival rifle and a little ammo I can survive anyplace that has small game. You can't say the same if you have no experience with local plants. And that my friend can kill you.
    You're assuming that I wouldn't know the local flora. Furthermore, you're assuming that I can't quickly learn the local flora. And on top of all that, you're assuming you have an unlimited amount of ammo. At some point, you will run out of ammo...and then you have to catch up to what I already know, and what I've already learned in the meantime.

    How many people in todays society want to be farmers or take the time to learn farming skills? This is a perfect example of what I meant above.
    You'd be surprised. For instance, you're assuming that people wouldn't help each other to learn how to survive. Again, you should learn the story of Thanksgiving sometime.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    whatever you say Glen
    Hey - you're the one who made the assumption...and you simply can't back it up, can you?

    No, you can't.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Hey - you're the one who made the assumption...and you simply can't back it up, can you?

    No, you can't.
    I actually don't feel like going back and repeating all the silly posts you have made about gun ownership



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Very understandable...especially if you're living alone.

    Please understand, I've never been against gun ownership by law-abiding (and sane) citizens. But it's silly to not have a system to track gun ownership in order to keep them out of the hands of felons, sociopaths, sex predators, terrorists, and psychopaths. It's even sillier to oppose the sale of "smart guns" that allow only the owner to be able to use those guns - any parent should be strongly for such weapons!
    here for example. you want registration of weapons which doesn't even apply to criminals



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I actually don't feel like going back and repeating all the silly posts you have made about gun ownership
    Ah. You make the accusation, but you refuse to back it up...even if you thought you could back it up in the first place.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And from the other side of the coin, who's more afraid - the gun owners who are Absolutely Sure that liberals are out to take their guns and their 2A rights away, or the liberals who honestly support gun ownership as long as we can make sure that the owners are law-abiding citizens and not felons/sexual predators/terrorists/sociopaths/whatever?

    And btw - gun ownership is not a "God given right". In those days, ownership of a sword or a spear was never a right.
    here you reject the entire premise upon which the bill of rights was based upon



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    here for example. you want registration of weapons which doesn't even apply to criminals
    So you want sexual predators, sociopaths, and terrorists to be free to buy guns without any background checks or registration. Gee, you're all about freedom aren't you?
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    here you reject the entire premise upon which the bill of rights was based upon
    Where did I say that?

    You wouldn't be making up accusations, would you?

    Naaaah...you wouldn't do that! Would you?
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