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  • The person who feels he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Sadly all those who advocate open carry do not agree with you and as long as that motivation persists, it is a compelling reason to not allow it.


    No, actually it isn't.


    If it bothers you so in that context, just ban it from political venues and leave it otherwise.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I read your reply. twice. You failed to answer the question with the reasons for the Court decision. Turtle - every time you throw out this court packing theory it has been strongly refuted as having no basis in fact and that is from the Chief Justice himself. Do you need to see his own words yet again?
    the Miller decision was one of the great failures of the FDR court. Miller won at the trial level-the government appealed but Miller didn't appear before the USSC. The court should have remanded the case back to the trial court to make a RECORD but instead they made the incredibly idiotic finding that sawed off shotguns had no militia purpose. the remand never took place because Miller died before it could happen so a record was never made which would have proven such weapons did have military utility or militia usage. Why was this idiotic-it was because the duty was on the Government to have produced evidence at the trial court of such a "fact" which was never done. Rather the USSC accepted at argument (where only one side was present) the government argument that had no support in the record.

    the Court never really addressed whether the government actually had the power to so regulate small arms


    so a cowardly CJ who caved denied he was a coward who caved

    color me shocked

    I want you to argue that FDR's creation of this federal power was consistent with either the language of the CC or the intent of the founders



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Why? Because you are afraid of them?
    Dude. Did you not read that I got my weapons quals in my military career? That's a 20-year career, FYI - I am retired military. Do you really think I'm somehow afraid of guns?
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Dude. Did you not read that I got my weapons quals in my military career? That's a 20-year career, FYI - I am retired military. Do you really think I'm somehow afraid of guns?
    Maybe not but I note

    who are the most annoying anti smokers? former smokers

    the most annoying anti porn guy in Cincinnati-the founder of "Citizens for Community values" was a porn addict

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    For three years I worked in the state capital as chief of staff for a state legislator. A few times each year, well organized armed groups of heavily armed men come to the capital to lobby. When they do so, school groups of children flee the capital on the spot as terrified people are simply disturbed by the appearance of them. Others were called in transit and turned around and went back aborting the education experience that was planned - in some cases for the better part of a year. So the public has been harmed.
    In that case, the public harmed itself through idiocy.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Many of your assumptions about survival are far off base:
    1) Yes, people did hunt and live without firearms. However, those same people didn't have to worry about other with guns "outgunning" them and taking all of the food available. Guns didn't exist therefore it wasn't a concern. There's a reason every state observes a bow (deer and turkey) season before they open it to black powder rifles then finally gun season.
    2) You act as if "hiding" all day is easy. As someone who's been through SEER, simply hiding from people all day isn't an option when, in addition to that, you must hunt and gather.
    3) When survival is the goal, thinking creatively at that point isn't something I'm looking to do. I'm looking to survive. Period. You're right in that eating plants and knowing which ones can be used for medicine are good things. However, surviving on plants can't be your only option. Meat provides calories at a rate that no plant or fruit can.
    Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    1. Just because one has a gun doesn't mean that one's taking all the food available...and guns don't help a whole lot when one is fishing.

    2. Do you mean SERE instead of "SEER"? No, I didn't go through SERE school, but the ability to blend in with one's surrounding is not something that's only taught in SERE school.

    3. Actually, you'll find it's much easier to survive on plants alone than it is to survive on meat alone. I grew up growing gardens year after year after year - and while I can hunt if I really need to, the more important skill is to know what plants you can eat, and how to grow those plants.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Maybe not but I note

    who are the most annoying anti smokers? former smokers

    the most annoying anti porn guy in Cincinnati-the founder of "Citizens for Community values" was a porn addict

    biggest kill joys at a cocktail party-AA members
    Ah. So as a former gun owner, if I don't feel the need for guns, I MUST therefore be like those oh-so-annoying former smokers and drinkers?

    Dude - you really should watch your assumptions - because that's all they are: assumptions.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Ah. So as a former gun owner, if I don't feel the need for guns, I MUST therefore be like those oh-so-annoying former smokers and drinkers?

    Dude - you really should watch your assumptions - because that's all they are: assumptions.
    Your posts have demonstrated a rather silly position on guns and gun owners



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    1. Just because one has a gun doesn't mean that one's taking all the food available...and guns don't help a whole lot when one is fishing.
    Well lets look at history...

    Every native population who did not have gun's during the colonial period... lost... badly. In fact the only time a native army had a victory was at Islawanda, and they paid for that later. So when it comes down to it, I would rather have the gun based on history and human nature. Why would I settle for less than the best survival tool?

    PS I know you are not talking about military action. I feel it is relevant to the overall, not necessarily in response to just hunting, but survival as a whole.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    2. Do you mean SERE instead of "SEER"? No, I didn't go through SERE school, but the ability to blend in with one's surrounding is not something that's only taught in SERE school.
    Yep. Traditional hunters with no experience do it every day. We are not talking snipers here, but when you are hiding from animals... You still need some skill... Or a tree stand, lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    3. Actually, you'll find it's much easier to survive on plants alone than it is to survive on meat alone.
    Only if you know the local flora and fauna. I absolutely do not agree. With just a simple .22 survival rifle and a little ammo I can survive anyplace that has small game. You can't say the same if you have no experience with local plants. And that my friend can kill you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I grew up growing gardens year after year after year - and while I can hunt if I really need to, the more important skill is to know what plants you can eat, and how to grow those plants.
    How many people in todays society want to be farmers or take the time to learn farming skills? This is a perfect example of what I meant above.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Your posts have demonstrated a rather silly position on guns and gun owners
    Ah. Since I've stated time and time again that I have zero problem with law-abiding citizens being able to own guns, that's silly?
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